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Surname: Bateman
Christian Names: Toby
Country: Australia
State or Province: New South Wales
City or Town: Shoalhaven
Service: Claims Navy Reserve, USA Navy and Army
Branch: Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD)
Commencement of service: Claims 1972
Completion of service: Claims 1980
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE TOBY BATEMAN MAY 21


We are still without a photograph of Toby Bateman.

In a strange move, Bateman has published a fake photograph of "himself", together with some motor cycles he shows on his Facebook page. See below:

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The person, who Bateman claimed was him, is a business executive from the United Kingdom and has been blanked out.

The Facebook where Bateman published the photograph, contains photographs of motorcycles and motifs, that Bateman has declared as his own. Some of the motifs have been shown on the corner of posts he published whilst make his false USA military service claims.

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Perhaps Bateman thought to provide a false photograph of himself, together with motorcycles (that he is known to own), would further hide his true identity.

If you know the true Toby Bateman, who is associated with the above motorbike photographs, be assured, that he is a liar and wannabe, and genuine veterans of Australia and New Zealand would very much appreciate a genuine photograph to publish to the world.

***** 

 

 

We know this man resides in the Shoalhaven/Nowra region of New South Wales, however despite many hours of research we have been unable to track him down.

We ask our readers, particularly those from Shoalhaven/Nowra, if they are able to identify a man named, Toby Bateman. Bateman is a particularly skilled deceiver. however, like all liars, he makes mistakes in the detail.

All of his offending has been on social media.

Toby Bateman has ridiculed and threatened, those who question his Vietnam Service. He threatened two people, who questioned his service, on social media:

Bateman T1


Over many years we have learned that wannabes first defence, is to threaten those who expose them. Genuine veteran may get a bit "stroppy" but are always proud to provide their bona fides. It is so easy to simply provide evidence of service.

Bateman claims to have transferred from Royal Australian Navy Reserve, to full time service with the United States Navy, in 1972. He has said a lot about his "service", and is knowledgeable, but makes many mistakes in the detail. Here is his "service" as advertised on social media:

Bateman T2


Claims to have served at Fort Bragg in USA, but wrongly spells "Bragg" with only one "g". It is correctly spelled Fort Bragg. Named after General Braxton Bragg.

He is also a Motor Bike enthusiast. and wrote the following about a motor bike track.

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Notice the motif in the top left corner, is the same as those relating to his US Navy service. Anyone who knows the identity of this person should please contact us

What do we know about Bateman?:

He was born in Sydney in 1953, making him now 67 years of age.
Now resides in Nowra/Shoalhaven area of NSW.
He is a motorbike enthusiast, associated with "Triumph" motorbikes. He is Regional Representative for a Triumph Motor bike club as shown below.

Bateman T10
Bateman T3


He claims to be both ex Australian Navy Reservist and a USA Navy, Vietnam veteran.
Claims to have served in Da Nang Vietnam in 1975. Spells Da Nang as "Dar Nang"
Here is the official history of US Navy presence in Da Nang Vietnam. All departed by 1973.

Camp Tien Sha, a.k.a. Naval Support Activity Da Nang was established in 1964 and disestablished in April 1972. On 29 March 1973 the last American units left Da Nang. On 25 Aug 14973, the USA Congress passed the "Case Church Amendment" which forbade any further USA Military involvement in Vietnam.

Claims to have Joined RAN (R) in 1972 aged 19 years. National Australian Archives have no record of him ever serving.

He claims he was presented with the USA medals shown below for his Vietnam and USA Navy service.

Bateman T4


First row:
Claims these USA medals for his Vietnam service, they are out of precedence order.

Bronze Star Medal.
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal.
Vietnam Service Medal.
National Defence Service Medal.

Second row
Bronze Star Ribbon.
Fleet Marine Force Ribbon (can't be positive of the colour).
Vietnam Service Medal.
Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation with Palm.

The third row.
Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation with Palm.

The fourth row.
National Defense Service Medal.
Combat Action Ribbon (it is upside down).
Navy & Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon.

Claims his USN Vietnam service was acknowledged by Australian Honours and Awards and was awarded an Australian Active service Medal (AASM) and an Australian Service Medal (ASM). This did not occur.

Bateman T5


Has photographs from a helicopter of his service in Vietnam in 1975. Photograph was proven to have been taken by, and belonging to, a person from Kansas USA who knows nothing of Bateman being in that helicopter, and advises that the photograph was not taken in 1975

Bateman T6


Claims there were still Australian troops in Vietnam in 1975. See details in above insert.

Claims Australian troops departed Vietnam by chartered QANTAS flight on 25 April 1975. In fact the last QANTAS charter to carry Australian troops, was in 1972. QANTAS had "Baby rescue flights from Saigon in 1975, but no Troops were aboard

Bateman T7


Claims his US Navy unit was USN 5 Platoon Air Mobile Combat Ordnance disposal, which is incorrect. For example US Navy, uses the term "EOD Mobile Unit Eleven" . EOD Stands for "Explosive Ordnance Disposal.

Bateman T8


Like the "Scarlet Pimpernel" Toby Bateman is hard to pin down, however, we now hope that with your help, we may be able to receive a photograph of him, and also ask him directectly about his US Navy service in Vietnam.

It would be a great pleasure to receive from him definitive proof of his service.

Initially, Bateman was communicating with returned veterans on a social media website, and those returned veterans, like us, know full well that Bateman is a liar and a wannabe.

At the moment, Bateman is in the ANZMI remand section, and when information is received, we look forward to promoting him to full time service with ANZMI.

Surname: Patterson
Christian Names: James Edward
Country: Australia
State or Province: NSW
City or Town: Sydney
Service: Citizen Military Forces
Case Notes:

UPDATE James Edward PATTERSON

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James Edward Patterson was first identified as a liar and fraud in 2007 and his antics have been comprehensively updated on this website over the past fourteen years.

To gain sympathy back in 2012 Patterson pulled the "dying from cancer" maneuver. Here is an example of what he wrote:

"Bud ,I dont care about my standing in the vietnam or veteran community as I said before they can do what they want ,im dying so I dont care and if the so called unknown false names cant be bothered to come out in the open then I havent to time nor the incination to answer anymore questions about myself".

"my prostate went to Bone cancer although that is nothing to do with you".


For the last fourteen years Patterson has maintained that he is a Vietnam Veteran and worn medals as shown in the photograph above. On the 18 Nov 2020 he appealed to the Defence Honours and Awards Appeal Tribunal as per below:


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Notice that again after seven pages of deliberations, Patterson's appeal is declared scriptum non grata.

The full Appeals findings can be found here: defence-honours-tribunal.gov.au/wp-conte...021/03/Patterson.pdf

Here are some excerpts:

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After fourteen years of lies, Patterson is noted for his inept persistence, however, he knows with absolute certainty, that he is a liar and a wannabe. Veterans throughout the world also know, that he did not serve in the Vietnam war, at anytime, during his service with the Australian Army.

Patterson's curse, is a weed that is an ongoing detested annoyance to Australian agriculture. James Patterson is to the Australian and New Zealand veteran community, as the weed Patterson's curse is to the Agricultural industry.

 

 

 

*****

James Edward Patterson

It was always understood by other Sydney veterans who associated with Patterson that he was a Regular Army Engineer who served on two trips to Vietnam with 32 Small Ships Squadron.  He said he made one of these trips on the Clive Steele and threw his awarded service medals overboard. He also claims to have served on HMAS Sydney on a voyage to Vietnam in 1966. There wasn’t a nominal roll available in those days so he was accepted by other veterans on face value.

 

We will disclose numerous occasions where Patterson claims to be a Vietnam Veteran, right up until May 2008 when, he had painted himself into a corner and was being hard pressed for proof of his claims.

He wrote:

“I served as a terminal operator on the HMAS Sydney (loading and unloading of the ship)  was taken to Vietnam in 1966 under the command of a Major Fletcher (Terminal officer), We never disembarked from the ship..... and upon return I was utilised by Small ships as a supernumerary (topside) on the Clive Steele 1966”

“33/30 Port squadron loaded/unloaded HMAS Sydney both in Sydney and VungTau under the command of a Major Fletcher. We never disembarked from the ship as soon as unloaded we returned to Australia”

Major Bruce Fletcher did not travel to Vietnam on HMAS Sydney in 1966 or any other time. He traveled by air to Vietnam departing Sydney on the 19 April 1966, three days before HMAS Sydney left Australia. Major Fletcher remained in Vietnam until 17 June 1967.

Patterson further said.

“I wrote to CARO in September, 2007 asking why my name was not on the nominal roll etc I had given them all the particulars in my letter, I received a telephone call Christmas 2007 that they were investigating my claim, and would get back to me (so far nothing heard but who cares anyway.”

Jim says he contacted Central Army Records Office (CARO) in late 2007 asking why his name isn’t on the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) nominal roll, and an investigation is underway. He says he is gathering affidavits from men in the same situation as proof of the records omissions. These were men who served with 32 Small Ships.  Other Army personnel posted to HMAS Sydney (as he claims to have been}, don’t seem to have this problem.

Here is a novel wannabe statement put into writing by Patterson. Can you imagine a military parade where counterfeit medals were handed out? It may sound OK to civilians but genuine veterans recognize Patterson’s stupidity.

“Just for your information and that of other I was presented with two medals at a passing out parade at HMAS Penguin, we noticed that the medals were not inscribed and we then told them to stick them if they couldn’t put our names on them, and if you want to look there are about 12 medals at the bottom of the Sydney harbour (opposite the ORs dry mess) where we threw them.  “I’m not in the nominal roll either are other CMF personnel whom served on the ships”

Patterson was a contributor to an Internet Profile site. See below how he describes himself as “Vietnam Veteran Royal Australian Engineers RAE.” In addition although it is not our concern he also claims to be a “Retired Law enforcement Officer” that is another lie.

He also claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran on the USA Transport Vietnam Association web site, other genuine Australian Vietnam Veterans have been registered on this site.  He listed his details as “Jim Patterson 32 Small Ships Squadron Royal Australian Engineers and 30 Terminal Squadron Royal Australian Engineers” that information is false.  He was never a member of either of those units that served in Vietnam.

On a genealogy web site Patterson wrote the following: 

 

 

Patterson did not serve in the Australian Regular Army (ARA) at any time in any capacity.

“RSA Badge”, appears to be a typographical error “RAS Badge” was intended? (Returned from Active Service Badge) he does not have one nor is he entitled to one.  

We have Patterson’s full CMF pay records for the period he claims to have served in Vietnam. According to these records He was never transferred to CMF Full Time Duty and only ever received pay for CMF part time duty.  We hold his complete pay record from 1965 to 1968, this is the period he claims to have served on ships servicing Australian Forces in Vietnam

 

 

 

Patterson has been an active participant in Veterans networks particularly that of Allen J Petersen. Here are examples of how he put himself forward as an old soldier and experienced veteran. His email address is “Aussisoljer” and he signs off as “Jim Patterson an Old Engineer” and also “30 Terminal Squadron and 32 Small Ships Squadron” Patterson was never posted to either of those units, he has inserted them to give the impression that he served with units that served in Vietnam. In this exchange he takes to task a genuine veteran

 

From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au

Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: TOUGH DECISION ?

I don't get into arguments but in this instance I want to assist George.

So he was a storeman with RAEME and the other guy was a platoon SASR soldier, bloody hell wonder where he got his equipment, his ammo, his rations, from??

Maybe the tooth fairy, every soldier that served in Vietnam , Borneo was supplied by other soldiers, irrespective of the Corps they were in, everyone who served in Vietnam served with distinction. Funny we did supply runs to Borneo saw shit but then we were Transportation and we flew our own ensign, but wait we not the B all to end all. 

If you wanted armour backup wonder who brought it across, hang on it floated, if you wanted a salvo wonder who brought it across, the tooth fairy of course. Not everything came by aircraft you know, wonder who loaded the ships ?and it wasn't the navy, and who unloaded them again it wasn't the navy.


Mate I don't care if your a pogo, a backyard Johnny, or a front liner, but my SASR mates don't go on like this smart arse, they respect each and every person who served and I do know what Bob Buick did and I do know what a lot of 6 RAR blokes think of him, but I don't hold grudges - you owe a veteran whom serve and apology or your don't apologise in the "SPOOKS" you to highly trained in your tooth fairy mind because you to higher a class than the ordinary soldier.

JIM Paterson
30 Terminal Squadron/32 Small ship Squadron RAE
Aussisoljer
And if you have a problem with me get over it!

 

From: aussisoljer@aol.com

To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au

Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2008 8:35 AM

Subject: Re SAS TRUST FUND..

 

Sorry xxxxxxxx

I'm not a bleater, I'm a educated person, can you please explain to this poor little baggy arse Engineer  where is the justice in one Regiment (SASR) being given $10 million for a trust fund whilst others are given scraps ?

Where is the justice of other ex servicemen who served in the uniform of this country willing to lay down their lives for this country, hurt on duty either in a active zone or peace time operation (which I believe this trust is about)  and they or their associations not given the same gratitude.

I don't know your background nor do I want to know but FAIRNESS and EQUALITY were and are a big thing in my book and we have laws of this country that say that is called DISCRIMINATION ACT we also had MATESHIP  .

This is sorry to say discriminating , one ex service person against another, virtually saying either you a SASR person, your entitled or your  ordinary serviceman Navy, Army Air Force and your not. 

I could be wrong but as a person who wore the uniform proudly of this country , and have mates who served in SASR, feel that we all should be treated equally- we all shared the same rigours, the same food, the same incidents, and lost the same colour blood and friends, so please tell the Incapacitated, the maimed why this regiment should be singled out and the amount of $10 million not given to ALL deserving ex servicemen. 

And who cares if a Lt Col didn't go out on patrol I don't think any one of them did, but I did see a few Majors, Captains, Lieutenant down out there, chain of command brother and before you go off I was a corporal not an officer, and proud of my service and Esprit de Corps .

Jim Patterson
an Old Engineer 

In the emails above Patterson alludes to having made voyages to Borneo he says “Funny we did supply runs to Borneo saw shit but then we were Transportation and we flew our own ensign, but wait we not the B all to end all”

In the second example he says“he has seen a few Majors, Captains and Lieutenants out on patrol” thus inferring that he has been on operational service.

We have much more evidence of Patterson’s allusions of serving in Vietnam. Should the need arise it can be released.

Although in one of his emails he says “He is an educated person” it is clear that he is far from that, however like most wannabes he is rat cunning and relies on the vulnerability of honest people to believe him on face value. Also like other wannabes he lacks the in depth knowledge of how efficiently the Defence Force Operated and the extent of evidence available to counter rat cunning wannabes. 

Patterson has not worn medals he is not entitled to (He claims to have thrown them away) he has fooled many people into believing he is a veteran of the Vietnam war. He is not a veteran he is an ex Citizens Military Forces soldier who had the opportunity to transfer to the Australian Regular Army and serve in Vietnam, he didn’t do that, he choose instead to pretend to be a veteran and bask in the kudos associated with that status, now he can suffer the consequences of his dishonesty and theft of honour by featuring on this web site where he belongs.

25 Jul 2009

A photograph of Patterson has come to light and has  been inserted into our original exposure.  Until now we had no evidence of Patterson wearing Vietnam war medals. He previously claimed to have thrown them away soon after they were presented to him, we assume, this dreamed up action, was some kind of "heroic" rebellion  against the horrors of war.

We have now received conclusive evidence that Patterson has worn Vietnam Medals on ceremonial occasions. He again used the “I threw the medals away” after he was knocked back for an Australian Defence Medal.  If you look closely at the photograph you can see he is wearing medals and also a Return from Active Service Badge (RASB). The RASB must belong to a genuine veteran and Patterson must have gone to deliberate and deceptive measures to obtain it

The photograph came with a report from a Veterans Group who interacted with and knew Patterson well.

Here is the report:

The bloke you have on your web site as James Edward Patterson is a bloke we, in the xxxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans Reunion area of NSW, know as Jim Patterson.

The Army Number on his Paysheet on your site is the same as we have recorded for him.

He came to notice as a possible wannabe in 2008 when we became aware that he had applied for the Australian Defence Medal and was rejected due to lack of records.

He became the subject of plenty of discussion at the reunion held in xxxxxxxxx in Nov 08 and a bloke from Sydney said that when this rejection was done he threw his medals (the ones he had worn to our reunions) into the harbour at Sydney.  It was also mentioned that his membership to 32 Small Ships Sqn had been cancelled.

The we I mentioned are the Vietnam Veterans here in xxxxxxxxxxxx.

This is the second shock we have received.  The first being mother Quick and now Jim Patterson - both known to many in the xxxxxxxxx and blokes that we just accepted as being Viet vets.

On the photo attached you can see he is wearing four medals, a returned from active service badge and a RSL Sub Branch badge.  It was taken at the 2004 xxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans Reunion at Albury NSW.

If any further info comes to hand I'll let you know

Regards,

Patterson must be shunned by all ex Service Organisations because by word and deed he is a wannabe who deliberately deceived his Veteran “mates”

Patterson has committed crimes against the Defence Act by wearing medals he is not entitled to wear. Although we continually expose and parade wannabes before law enforcement authorities they ignore our actions, apparently they have the audacity to believe that the honour of Veterans and the supreme sacrifice made by many of our kind are just not in the public interest.  Such an attitude is a gross insult and unworthy of decent Australians.

ANZMI is committed to exposing frauds and impostors in the veteran community. Be an impostor at your own peril, eventually we will get you just as we have got Patterson and many others.

 

31st Oct 2009

Update Patterson’s curse

Farmers are inflicted with the dreaded weed called Patterson’s curse. Veterans have a similar affliction and that is the curse of Jim Patterson the liar, fraud and wannabe. To say that Patterson is the fundamental orifice of a horse is to insult horses.  He uses the email name and address of Aussisoljer@aol.com  Like the weed Patterson’s curse, Jim Patterson is a worthless entity who fails to apologise for his offence and continues with his wannabe antics.

Aiding and abetting Patterson is a dill and failed soldier named Terry Westerway of Sydney.  Westerway is a member of the Mad Galah organisation that is the shame of the Australian Veteran community. Have a look at the garbage that Westerway has written in relation to defending the unrepentant wannabe Patterson.

 "From: Terry Westerway
To:
Cc: Jim Patterson ; Allen Petersen
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: FW:       NSW apology

Mr xxxxxxxxx,
 
I presume that you have not answered Jim Patterson's email (below).
 
In so far as you (reportedly) said that you "had sent all relevant paperwork to ANZMI and your Legal representatives", can I reasonably assume that, therefore, you are the author of the letter/email to ANZMI on or about 25 July 2009 (attributed to the "xxxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans reunion") and the person who sent the photograph alleged to be of Jim Patterson at the "xxxxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans reunion" in Albury?
 
Can I reaonably assume that the substitution of "xxxxxxx" for the actual name is an ANZMI alteration to your original email? If that is so, then would it not be proper to either insist that "xxxxxxx" be removed and the correct name subsituted - or - to openly identify the group that you refer to? Is there something that you wish to conceal in permitting the substitution? If so, why? What have you to hide? If you truly believe what you say, would it not be proper to identify the group?
 
I wonder whether you have actually consulted a reasonable number of those who attended the reunion as to the malfeasances of which you complain?
 
As to the photograph, was it a photgraph personally obtained by you? If not, would it not be appropriate to identify the person who obtained the photograph - and a statement from that person as to his intentions in taking the photograph and the precise time and date on which the photograph was obtained?
 
As it stands, the evidenciary value of your (assumed) letter and the photograph are (on the best possible interpretation) of no evidenciary value whatsoever. Evidence, if it is to be relied upon, must identify the person who obtained the "evidence" and the circumstances under which the evidence was obtained.
 
In regard to the photograph, ANZMI make certain remarks about the medals being worn - but that conclusion is not immediately clear from the photograph itself. If the person taking the photograph had intended to identify the medals for the purposes of evidence, surely it would have been appropriate to take a clearer photo of the medals? You and ANZMI make certain assumptions about the medals etc, but those assumptions are not immediately clear from the photograph. As "evidence" the photo in itself is of no value.
 
Moreover, much of your (assumed) letter relies upon prior statements made by ANZMI about Jim Patterson's service - a poor substitute for actual evidence. The simple fact is that ANZMI make anonymous allegations and provide copies of documents - the providence of which is not in evidence (that is, unless the origin of documents is attested to by an identified person, they are of no evidenciary value).
 
As I have pointed out before, if Jim Patterson takes it into his head to issue legal proceeding against you, you have no defence, because you rely upon ANZMI who are hardly likely to step out into the sunlight to support your argument.
 
Your (assumed) letter also links Jim Patterson to someone called "Mother Quick" and certainly implies that whatever "Mother Quick" is alleged to have done, Jim Patterson is also tainted by some assumed similarity with the matter of "Mother Quick". That is (on the most generous interpretation) "guilt by association" - if we are to follow that principle, is it not reasonable to associate you with ANZMI and all of its error, omissions, unsubstantions and assumptions?
 
May I say, from my perspective, you are a person who lacks the intestinal fortitude and the cojones to stand out and openly make your allegations. And, in my view, makes your allegations worthless. There is an Old English word that I feel applies to you. The word is "nithing" - it means a person of no vaue, a person whose word is worthless.
 
By the way, I am still waiting for a visit from the Australian Federal Police (or the NSW Police for that matter) and/or a formal letter from your legal advisors. Tell them to hurry up will you?
 
Terry Westerway
(That bloke from Liverpool)"

 Westerway is the self appointed legal eagle for the Mad Galahs he fills his email with legal mumbo jumbo, when the crux of the matter is -

Did Jim Patterson serve in Vietnam - The answer to that question is no.

Does Jim Patterson still claim to be a Vietnam Veteran - The answer to that question is yes.
 

Has he worn medals that he is not entitled to wear - The answer is yes.
 

Is there evidence to prove this - The answer is yes, see the photo on the original entry.

Mad Galahs and Terry Westerway in particular should be despised by decent veterans for the irrational support of wannabe scum like Jim Patterson. There is only one thing lower than a wannabe and that is a person who supports a wannabe.

After being exposed as a liar, cheat and wannabe Patterson ducked his head and shut up for a few months, but now this noxious weed is attempting a come back through his good mates the Mad Galahs who just love liars and cheats like Jim Patterson.

In April and July 2009 we presented overwhelming evidence of Patterson’s offences against veterans integrity.  Patterson is an ex part time soldier who never left Australian shores but has for years claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran. 

The only place this mongrel can find a friend in the veteran community is with the Mad Galahs who attract odd balls and misfits like moths to a candle. Surely they must see, that like some of their other members who also appear on our pages, Patterson is persona non gratia, as far as veterans are concerned.

As a result of our previous Patterson update, Patterson had the audacity to act the hurt innocent and to threaten to sue a real veteran for telling the truth about him. Read what he had to say in the two emails shown below.

His threats of legal action are typical of wannabes and should be taken with a grain of salt, he is a proven liar and any Judge would probably declare him a vexatious litigant if he tried it on.

Some good advice to Patterson is – Do not continue to offend the veteran community with your presence, nick off, you are not a veteran and you are not welcome in the veteran community.

From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au

Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 10:21 AM

Subject: Mad galahs membership..

Allen, Could you get the secretary to please forward to me a membership form of this organisation, as I have just read  on the avm website list number 61 of the 10 October, 2009 that I am a member but never joined, and I deem that most inappropriate and apologise for not joining earlier. I do look forward to receiving my full engraved "Mad Galah" badge etc.

I think Phil Moon, Harry Kirkman,and Noel Muller would also like forms as they to were mentioned. 

Seems I get membership for outing one of there members or because I wrote and expressed in open forum (which I still believe is correct in this country but not if you do so anonymously) my opinions and I have threatened the dread word "legal action" and being posted on the anzmi site. 

I do hope it like the Freemasons (which I am a member by the way) which I enjoy and follow the teachings. (see I have nothing to hide and have papers to prove this also). 

(Irrelevant paragraphs deleted) 

Jim Patterson -and this is my name 

Oh by the way flew Cathay pacific arrived London 25th April, 2009 left Heathrow 24 May, 2009 just in case someone says im telling porkies! 

 From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

To: xxxxxxxxxx@bigpond.com.au ;

Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 10:38 AM

Subject:xxxxxxxxxxxxxx NSW apology

I have copied this email to others like you did when you answered the ANZMI website without consultation to me prior to putting pen to paper and they have my permission if they need to reprint and distribute.

I wrote to you on the 11th September, and you replied on the 15th September, 2009 that you had sent all relevant paperwork to ANZMI and your "Legal representatives" I have had no correspondence from any party on your behalf to date.

You advised that what you wrote to others was factual and correct , which I advised you was incorrect. you have made no intention of withdrawing these remarks as per your email of the 15th September, 2009

I have made a record of interview with the appropriate authorities and shown them all the relevant paperwork which they find very interesting with regard to your comments, as has been proved to you by my email of the 11th September, 2009.

As I have no need to be interviewed further by any statutory body as to words written by you about me to others and posted on a website and the emails your wrote to others advising them to check out a website and the "Subject of discussion" you had with others about me without my input in November, 2008 at a meeting of the Riverina Vietnam Veterans reunion held in xxxxxxxxx NSW of the weekend in November, 2008 which I was not in attendance.

As you seem that you do not need to apologise to me please advise by the 22nd October, 2009 your "Legal representatives" so I can institute legal proceedings against you for  the remarks and statements you have written.

As you decline to apologise for the inept actions on your behalf you leave me no alternative as you have taken it upon yourself to agree with anonymous persons writings and "VET FROM SYDNEY" lies without checking the facts before putting pen to paper, and by your words you instigated by word of mouth to others.

I am requesting that this email be posted upon any website that others may deem necessary because you wrote without  any checks being made  in support of distorted facts written by xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to ANZMI

I would also like it to be known that the person known as xxxxxx  xxxxxx is also know as "xxxxxxxxxx" and because he is known throughout the Riverina area, and resides in XXXXXXXX NSW, and is a supporter of ANZMI if not a member of this websites forum.

xxxxxxx you have till the 22nd October, 2009 to apologise and advise what you were told and read was in fact untrue by the persons whom told these matters to you .

I have nothing to hide my life is an open book, I'm told I'm "uneducated by others on the anzmi website" which you also agreed with because you advised that "they check everything out prior to printing" but can assure you my integrity, self respect, honesty and some of the material was obtained illegally, not as advised that obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

I have also obtained from my old school (private) and my certificates from various government bodies as to my "uneducated" status which will prove that I am not that way inclined.

Jim Patterson

 

15th Sep 2012


 

Update James E Patterson

The Veteran community announces that James E Patterson is the epitome of a despicable liar, fraud and recidivist wannabe.

Despite being comprehensively exposed, he is still pretending to be a Vietnam Veteran to anyone who will listen.

ANZMI tentacles are wide and relentless.

In 2009 Patterson visited London, where he met a genuine USA Vietnam Veteran. Patterson convinced this veteran that he was also Vietnam Veteran.

In September 2012, the USA Veteran wrote to another USA Veteran and subsequently questioned Patterson about the ANZMI exposure he had found.

"and delight we ran into an Australian (James E Patterson) and his wife who were on vacation...during the course of conversation we found out that we were both Vietnam Veterans...he told me that he was well acquainted with the 135thAHC and that he knew some of the Aussies and US pilots...and that he was an engineer with the 30 Terminal Squadron and made several trip trips to Vietnam...we exchanged emails and I promptly lost his in a pile of brochures and just found it the other day...I emailed him and received a warm reply where he told me that he and his wife just returned from a trip to the USA...I looked up his unit for the fun of it and was directed to this link http://www.anzmi.net/patterson/patterson.html

The USA veteran contacted Patterson in September 2012 as shown below:

“Morning Jim...ANZMI...tell me it ain't you, brother”

Patterson responded:

“what is ANZMI mate , if that the site that people send to other people like Facebook and twitter, then believe what you want, have never  heard or read the site”

In September 2012 Patterson further wrote:

“From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

Sorry this web page doesn't open.
(Referring to ANZMI)
Where did you get this site from, as I have spoken to a few mates whom know about this site and they tell me you have to be invited to read what is said. So may I ask whom invited you to this site
 
So I will say this, I don’t lie to people, I’m upfront, I don’t know what is written but can assume it is something to do with my service prior to and after I did trips in service, with Royal Australian Engineers and would of been written by a Christopher Brandon Cramer whom I declined to lie for to be a extra pension if I am right, and also had convictions squashed whilst in the Police service,..
 
I really don’t care my friend, I have a life outside of Internet bullshit and I have copies of all my records of service, which have been certified by Australian Government. Federal police as others have had the same shit written about them and is false
 
As I said I really don’t care what idiots whom write things about others but cannot say face to face to the person, you can be your own judge and jury, those that know me know what I did and that is all that matters to me and the respect I get from them”
 

You can always tell when Patterson is lying because his lips are moving.

Patterson claims to have no knowledge of ANZMI. We have had direct contact with him on numerous occasions.

Patterson deliberately lies about Christopher Brandon Cramer (now deceased) Cramer was a genuine Veteran who helped expose Patterson and despicable untrue accusations against Cramer are all part of Patterson’s evil twisted personality.

Patterson finally says:

those that know me know what I did and that is all that matters to me and the respect I get from them”

The only friends that Patterson has are those, who he still has fooled, like the Australian mob who call themselves “The Mad Galahs” Patterson fits well into that band of misfits, wannabes and conspiracy theorists.

This Patterson update should send the message that wannabes are despised all over the world by veterans of all nationalities.

We will keep a worldwide watch on Patterson until he realizes that any tours he may have had to Vietnam during the war are all dreams. 

6th Oct 2012

Update James Edward Patterson - 6 October 2012

James Edward Patterson has a fervent supporter, in the form of a "civil investigator" and military conspiracy “expert” named Terence Howard Westerway of Sydney, New South Wales.  

Westerway asserts there was a deliberate conspiracy to secretly and illegally send Citizens Military Forces (CMF) personnel to Vietnam, and that James Patterson was one of those secretly sent. 

Westerway was an ill disciplined Gunner (Private soldier) in the Royal Australian Artillery Corps who enlisted in 1964 and was sacked in 1967.

Westerway is a fool’s fool and that is apparent from his incredibly stupid email in support of Patterson.

To this day Patterson insists that he is a Vietnam Veteran. As long as there are fools around like Westerway, Patterson will continue to live a disgusting lie.

Read below what was written by Terence Howard Westerway on 16 Sep 2012 in support of liar, fraud and wannabe James Edward Patterson.

Morning xxx,
 

Irrelevant first paragraph deleted.


But to turn to Jim Patterson - as I understand it, Jim was with the Australian Engineers, as part of the "Small Ships Squadron", who operated a fleet of about 5 LCMs, doing shuttle runs between Australia and Vietnam, bring up supplies - often because the G*d Damned Seaman's Union and Waterside Workers Union (may they rot in Hell) often disrupted supplies to our troops in Vietnam. Most of the Small Ships Squadron was manned by "CMF" (Citizen Military Forces - same, same your National Guard).

To the best of my knowledge few (if any) CMF members on the Small Ships had their trips to Vietnam recorded (possibly because I suspect that it was illegal to deploy CMF troops into a war zone). Accordingly, few (if any) have a paper trail and they are not recorded with the Honours and Awards Directorate (who handle medal awards) as being entitled to wear Vietnam medals. Nevertheless, there were known instances when local commanders handed out medals anyway.

As far as I know, Jim has never sought to receive government disability benefits, so there has been no need to try and prove his visits to Vietnam. But Jim would not be the only one who has no record of Vietnam - there have been instances of even regular/conscript soldiers, sailors and airmen having their service records lost/misplaced/wrongly recorded. Such people seeking to have their service/disability recognized have had to resort to finding men they served with to testify for them. And does DVA (Department of Veterans Affairs) ever put them through the hoops. If Jim has nothing to claim, going through the hoops is a waste of time and effort - and certainly nothing he should have to do to satisfy a bunch of ignorant anonymous bloggers.
 
Of course, if ANZMI had actually carried out a proper investigation and made proper inquiries with members of the Small Ships Squadron and looked at the operations of "Small Ships", they might well have found people to testify on Jim's behalf (asking him for names might have been a good way to go). But, no, like most (if not all) of their "investigations", they are aimed at discrediting people against whom an allegation has been made by carrying out a "desktop investigation". Having had a fairly long history of investigation for legal cases (and having to have my investigations stand up in court) - the "investigations" carried out by ANZMI really rub me up the wrong way.

At this point in time, Jim would be a fool to go to the trouble of finding the evidence needed to prove his case - because ANZMI would simply refuse to accept it. Their own website makes it clear that once they have blogged, the ONLY thing they will accept is an "admission of guilt" and an apology for "lying".

It beats me why people want to be identified as a Vietnam Veteran (I still remember the reception we got when we came home) - but as far as I have seen, most of the "wannabes" claim to have been "special forces" and been involved in all sorts of (heroic) "secret missions" that they cannot talk about. I guess it might have something to do with the "Rambo" movies etc. I have never yet seen any of them who claim to have been anything as low-level as Small Ships, transport, supply etc.

But in the end, it is up to you to decide whether you believe Jim or not.

Terry Westerway

Westerway’s email displays a pathetic ignorance of how the Defence Force operates. Veterans will recognize this, and treat him and Patterson, his wannabe mate, with the contempt they deserve.   

 

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

Surname: Heberle
Christian Names: Ian John
Country: Australia
State or Province: Western Australia
City or Town: Geraldton
Service #: 5717190
Service: Army
Branch: Infantry
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE Ian HEBERLE MAY 2021

After being exposed as a medals cheat in 2018, here are details from the Geraldton Guardian newspaper, dated October 2020.

 

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On ANZAC Day 2020 he was again photographed wearing the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (RVCM) and an Infantry Combat Badge (ICB) neither of which he has earned.

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 It is also reported in the Geraldton Guardian Newspaper that Herberle was returned to Australia from Vietnam after being wounded in action. That information is not true, and such a statement gives false credence to his wearing of the RVCM and the ICB. If he had been returned to Australia after having been wounded in action he would be entitled to wear the medal and also the ICB.

Ian Heberle is an ex President of the Geraldton Western Australia Returned and Services League (RSL) and is obviously a luminary of that institution.

Heberle may be a doyen, but he does not overrule the Australian Governor General, or, The Australian Honours and Awards Secretariat, Government House, or Directorate of Honours and Awards, Department of Defence.

To preserve the honour of our awards system, he, like all veterans must following traditions and protocols.

It is suggested that the Western Australia RSL Headquarters, take action against the Geraldton RSL and Ian Heberle, for flouting medals rules and protocols.

Herbele's mates, and all others, who wear the medal and badge, had to serve in Vietnam 181 days for the RVCM, and 90 days with an Infantry Battalion for the ICB. What Herbele is doing is falsely claiming to have been WIA in Vietnam.

 

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Ian Heberle wears five medals and six badges.   He did not earn one of the medals and one of the badges

 

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He wears:

 

Infantry Combat Badge (ICB) - Not entitled

Australian Active Service Medal (AASM)

Vietnam Medal (VM)

Australian Defence Medal (ADM)

Anniversary of National Service Medal (ANSM)

Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (RVCM) - Not entitled

 

Heberle served in Vietnam for 87 days as a Private Infantry Soldier.   Entitlement to wear the RVCM requires service of 181 days.

 

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Those who were classified as Battle Casualties and returned to Australia before completing 181 days are also entitled to wear the medal. Heberle did some hard work in Vietnam but was never classified as a Battle Casualty.

 

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Above his medal ribbons he is wearing the prestigious ICB.

 

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Entitlement for this badge is:

 

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As he served in Vietnam for only 87 days he is not entitled to wear the ICB.

 

Heberle is from a family with military history as he wears on his right breast World War 2 medals that were earned by a direct relative.

 

Heberle, like many other Returned Veterans has chosen to purchase and wear a medal and a badge that he did not earn.

 

A nation wide audit of photographs from commemorative occasions is under way resulting in many exposures of Veterans wearing medals they did not earn.  

 

Heberle has been caught and placed on this website, where he will remain for a very long time.

 

 

Surname: Ashcroft
Christian Names: Cristine aka Crissy
Country: Australia
State or Province: New South Wales
City or Town: Sydney
Service: Austrialian Army
Branch: Pay Corps
Commencement of service: 1998
Completion of service: 2016
Case Notes:

 

CHRISTINE ASHCROFT UPDATE. 6 MAY 2021.

With 2021 ANZAC day now behind us, it is with pleasure that ANZMI again presents Ms Christine Ashcroft to all our readers throughout Australia, New Zealand, and the rest of the world as a contemptable and nasty piece of work, who continues to try and gain kudos, credibility, and fame by cheating the system.

This time, however, it is not the Australian Defence Force, The Australian Department of Veterans Affairs, or Sydney Channel 9 “The Voice” viewers and Judges”.

It now involves being a sporting cheat, who by ingesting illegal drug supplements to gain an advantage over others, was well and truly caught out by Australian Government Sport Integrity body.

www.sportintegrity.gov.au/what-we-do/ant...ns/cristine-ashcroft

The attachments below indicate the extent that Ashcroft will go to, to gain notoriety and fame within the sporting and veteran community.

 

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Ashcroft has been banned from competing in all sports by the National Sport's Tribunal until the 20 March, 2022.

She is a liar, valour thief, military imposter and now a sports cheat. When you consider the deceitful false claims, she made as being the first Australian female soldier to “fight outside the wire” in Afghanistan, and now her brazen attempts to gain fame over others by cheating the sporting system, we can only conclude that her credibility, now and in the future is abysmal.

When ANZMI initially exposed Ashcroft to the world as a military imposter, it is now obvious from the dates in the above Australian Government Sport Integrity body that she was also a drug cheat.

Her first offence identified is on or about the 23 September 2016 to on or about the 30 September 2017. This included the offences of “Use, and or attempted use and possession.

At this identical time, Ashcroft had been appointed an Ambassador for the 2018 Invictus Games to be held in Sydney, New South Wales commencing on the 20 October 2018. Ashcroft was also vying for selection as a weight lifting contestant for the Australian Invictus team.

Following the ANZMI exposure detailing evidence of Ashcroft’s false claims of military achievements, she was removed as an Invictus Games Ambassador by the relevant Games authorities. She also did not compete, due to non selection.

Ashcroft, guided by her close friend and supporter Kay Danes, now OAM, subsequently instituted defamation action against an elderly Vietnam veteran, whom she wrongfully claimed was the author and publisher of the ANZMI article about her.

Ashcroft’s legal action had a dramatic effect on the health of this veteran, who still suffers physically and mentally from trying to defend himself over a long period of time from the malicious action instituted by Ashcroft.

Ashcroft failed in her attempt to sue the Vietnam veteran for defamation.

Following her unsuccessful attempt to sue the veteran, we received information that Ashcroft had moved to the USA. We believe that she has now returned to her home at Penrith in Sydney.

Recently, Ashcroft’s mate, Kay Danes sent an email to ANZMI requesting that her name (Danes' name) be removed from the original exposure of the Christine Ashcroft publication.

See below -.

I would like to respectfully ask if you would consider removing the document that I alone authored and shared on my Facebook, which I did so in the flurry of excitement of seeing my friend Christine Ashcroft on 'The Voice.' It was an obvious oversight when I referred to her as 'fighting outside the wire' because we all know that fighting roles are undertaken by Infantry and other male ADF personnel. I am considerably embarrassed and meant no disrespect to anyone, least of all, our brave serving ADF members".

It is now evident that Danes does not want to be associated with her drug cheating friend.

Unfortunately, the damage has been done.

 

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Cristine or Crissy Ashcroft was born on the 12 July, 1966. Ashcroft had three years Australian Army Reserve service from 1998 to 2001, when she then discharged. She again enlisted in the Australian Army Reserves in November, 2004, and was eventually posted to the RAAPC .

Ashcroft subsequently transferred to continuous full time duty with the Australian Army in the RAAPC in 2008, and subsequently to the Australian Regular Army in 2010.

In late 2009, Ashcroft was deployed to Australian Special Operations Task Group (SOTG) Afghanistan, as a member of the Royal Australian Army Pay Corps, (RAAPC) attached to 1 Commando Regiment, Operation Slipper. Her position was Finance Clerk, Corporal RAAPC, a sedentary role. She was based at Camp Russell.


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Ashcroft's duties consisted of financial and clerical administration. By all reports, her allotted duties in that role in Afghanistan were satisfactory. Her deployment was for six months and Ashcroft returned home in mid 2010.

During the entire time on Afghanistan deployment, Ashcroft left the Camp Russell SOTG base on one occasion and travelled by helicopter to a village with her Commanding Officer. They attended a Shura meeting with Afghanistan locals.

The village had previously been secured by members of 1 Commando Regiment and was considered safe.

During the three hours that Ashcroft and her Commanding Officer were absent from the base and attending the meeting, nothing of a controversial or war like nature occurred. The village was defended by armoured vehicles and at least 200 Afghanistan National Army Soldiers (ANA). Following the uneventful meeting, they returned by helicopter to the SOTG base.

Ashcroft's deployment to Afghanistan concluded in June, 2010 and she returned to Australia as a member of the RAAPC. She continued her Army service in the RAAPC until October 2016. Ashcroft sustained no physical injuries in Afghanistan.

In 2016, well after Ashcroft’s return to Australia, she medically discharged from the Australian Army, due to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which related to a subsequent post Afghanistan personal family incident that occurred in Australia.

Her entire Afghanistan operational deployment was uneventful. During the deployment Ashcroft only left the SOTG base on the one occasion mentioned.

Since Ashcroft’s return to Australia, a number of events have occurred that have given rise to a public perception that Ashcroft was an operational soldier fighting with “Australian Commando Special Forces”. In addition, that Ashcroft was “the first Australian female soldier to fight outside the wire”.

From the 4th to 12th May, 2016, Ashcroft attended the Invictus Games, Orlando, USA, where she competed in swimming and weightlifting as an Australian “wounded warrior.”

On the 15 May, 2016, whilst still a serving soldier, Ashcroft appeared in Army uniform on Australian television in a program called “The Voice,” where she gave details about her Afghanistan service, stating to one of the judges that “I still see things that I can’t unsee and they will be with me forever. I want my war to be over.”

Excerpt from The Voice write up International Business Times – The Voice by Arlene Paredes. 16 May, 2016. (Source IBT)

Crissy Ashcroft, 49 (as of 2017), is a war veteran who served actively for 13 years. She suffered serious injuries in her last duty, rendering her unable to continue working in the military. She got emotional while looking back to her time in Afghanistan. Despite being diagnosed with PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder), Crissy is looking forward with optimism. Her war is over, she said. And she’s on “The Voice” to inspire former military personnel to pursue other things in case their service has ended, too.

Excerpt from 2017 MTV Awards, titled “HAS THE VOICE FOUND THE AUSSIE SUSAN BOYLE? (Source MTV Awards publication.)
Nick Bond.


SUNDAY’S episode of The Voice delivered one of the most emotional moments of the season when 49-year-old war veteran and aspiring performer Crissy Ashcroft took to the stage.

For Ashcroft, who has spent 13 years in the army and deployed to Afghanistan in 2009, the aftershocks of life in a war zone meant even making it to her audition was a battle.
“This morning, getting myself here to this stage has been a really hard road. So many times I said, ‘I can’t do this’,” she admitted. Fighting back tears, Ashcroft revealed that when she deployed to Afghanistan, she “saw things I can’t unsee, and they’ll be with me forever.”
Returning home, she was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.
“I have triggers — If I see a car backfire, I’ll just hit the deck, which looks kind of strange in the middle of Sydney.”

Excerpt from the Daily Mail Australia 20 May, 2016, by Megan Pustetto.

War veteran Chrissy Ashcroft, who delivered a powerful rendition of Cold Chisel's When The War is Over on Sunday, has told more about her on-going fight with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder).
The rosy-cheeked singer, who developed the anxiety disorder after witnessing harrowing scenes while deployed to Afghanistan in 2009, told WHO magazine: 'Every day for me to get out of the house is a battle.'
• The 49-year-old went on to explain that simple tasks like leaving the home and getting dressed every day she 'can't do any more.'

• What she witnessed during her time as a soldier, she says, left scarred and triggered the mental disorder typically involving disturbed sleep and constant vivid recall of an often traumatic experience.
She told the publication the crippling attacks were a 'bit like alcohol.' (Source Daily Mail Australia.)

Perhaps, one of the most compelling descriptions of her Afghanistan service was in a document titled – “WHEN THE WAR IS OVER.” -
the literary content attributed to a close friend, Ms. Kay Danes, whose name appears at the foot of the document. The article was posted on the Penrith (Sydney) Returned and Services League of Australia (R&SL) Website.


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Ashcroft was also appointed an Ambassador for the Womens Veterans Network Australia (WVNA). Her personal profile appears below –

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On her return from the 2016 Orlando Invictus Games, Ashcroft was also appointed the Australian Ambassador for the October, 2018 Invictus Games to be held in Sydney, Australia.

She also receives payment from Claxton Speakers International, who manage public speaking engagements for their listed personnel. Her profile appears below -


CLAXTON SPEAKERS INTERNATIONAL.

Cris Ashcroft is a former Australian Special Forces support soldier, and the first female frontline soldier to fight 'outside the wire' in Afghanistan. Her careers in international sports, and as an Australian Federal Police officer and most recently part of the Australian Invictus Games team and a performer on "The Voice" have brought her in touch with such a range of experiences and people, she can't easily be categorised.

Her defining career is as an, elite Special Forces support soldier, which took its toll with traumatic experiences leading to physical injuries and Chronic PTSD - which is the enemy she fights today. As an athlete, a singer a soldier and a survivor, Cris tells the story of a girl growing up who didn't fit in, but allowed her goals to drive her forward and obstacles out of the way.

She takes audiences to the terrifying frontline of enemy engagement in Afghanistan, with raw honesty and authenticity, and brings them home again to deal with the aftermath, in a positive and inspiring way. Cris's successful appearances on "The Voice" where she sang "When the War is Over", and her selection and participation at the Invictus Games, brought her to international recognition as a respected and decorated soldier with a voice that must be heard. Cris speaks with passion and integrity, and also with dry, irreverent Aussie sense of humour. She enlightens and inspires, bringing hope to everyone who faces challenges in their lives.


We contacted a Claxton Speakers International representative, who informed ANZMI that Ashcroft’s fee to speak at a public or private gathering on the nominated topic is $7,000 Australian dollars plus GST.

Following the above media publications and comments attributed to Ashcroft, ANZMI received numerous communications from former Australian Army personnel, who have stated that Ashcroft’s claims are lies and have been invented to promote her 2018 Invictus Games Ambassador profile, an upcoming vocalist recording contract, and as a prospective author of book offers.

We then requested and received sworn statutory declarations and statements from former Australian Army 1Commando Regiment personnel, and others, who know Ashcroft, and have refuted her claims of “being the first female Australian soldier to fight outside the wire.” and of being blown up in a Bushmaster vehicle.

The Statutory Declarations and statements from these former personnel, state that , inter alia-,

Witness 1. (Served on same deployment as Cristine Ashcroft in Afghanistan.)

* Christine Ashcroft was employed throughout the rotation as a pay clerk and never deployed with any of the commando field elements (FE) or Teams. She was never in the front line, never came under fire, never came face to face with the enemy, never was employed to question or search females in compounds and has no right to be making the false claims she is, in regards to her service in Afghanistan.

* Christine Ashcroft never suffered any injuries as a member of the Australian Defence Force, all of her recorded injuries are as a result of her participation in sport all of which occurred prior to her enlistment.

* Nothing untoward happened in the pay office or anywhere within Camp Russell where she was stationed.

* On one occasion Ashcroft and the Commanding Officer SOTG left Camp Russell and flew by helicopter to a meeting with locals in a 100% secure location. They remained at this meeting for approximately 3 hours and returned by helicopter to Camp Russell. During this entire time, there was no enemy action. The location of the meeting was secured by a commando company with armoured vehicles and up to 200 ANA soldiers. Once again, I reiterate, there was no enemy action, no shooting, no bombing, no fighting of any kind all very peaceful and quiet.

* Whilst in Afghanistan Ashcroft never made any comments or claims that she was injured, unwell or not coping with the deployment.

* Christine Ashcroft has and still is falsely representing Australia and The Invictus Games as a wounded warrior and is continuing to gain financially as a result of her false claims and deceitful lies regarding her service.

Witness 2.

She (Ashcroft) has stated the following to me-;

* She claimed to have delivered a teenage Afghan’s stillborn baby.
* She claimed to have conducted patrols with 1CDO “outside the wire” and was involved in gun fights. (She told me this on numerous occasions)
* She claimed that she was in a Bushmaster that was hit by an IED (Improvised explosive device), where she sustained hearing issues eye and shoulder issues.
* She claimed that she interrogated women over there.
* On her Face book Page, Crissy Ashcroft, she has photos of her in Afghanistan. One photo that she was in the hills of Afghanistan. *
* The photo was taken at the range.


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Witness 3.

* At the 2017 World Championship Para Lifting she walked onto the stage with one crutch. She was asked why all of a sudden she needed crutches. She stated, “I need the crutches because I am extremely unbalanced because of my hearing. I was blown up by an IED in Afghanistan where a plate of the Bushmaster was blown off and hit me”. She then got on the weightlifting bench, did her minimal 60 kg lift then proceeded off stage with the crutch in her other arm. “This totally confused us, as she states clearly she has shoulder injuries. Now the Para Games for weightlifting was completely filmed and is on You Tube.”

* She later informed us that doing the show “The Voice”; it was a tough decision which judge to choose. She stated that she is getting a recording contract and has begun writing songs for her album.

Witnesses 4 and 5. (Both served on same deployment as Cristine Ashcroft in Afghanistan.)

* She never went on any field trips (in Afghanistan) like she claims.

* Crissy most definitely and I REITERATE STRONGLY, Crissy Ashcroft NEVER NEVER went anywhere near a front line, she NEVER EVER came under any enemy fire and CERTAINLY NEVER EVER come face to face with any enemy under fire.

* Crissy didn’t fight outside the wire so the claim she was the first female to fight outside the wire is incorrect and puts to shame the actual female that was.

* She was never ordered to question any female detainee.

* The photos of her holding a weapon are at the weapons firing range.

* Her injuries were sustained outside of the military within her sports of triathlons. She had a shoulder reconstruction prior to her joining up regular army.

* She was certainly not with any Commandos, and I have spoken to all of them, where anything that would have caused PTSD from being under threat or fire.

* No one has heard of any Bushmaster being blown up whilst she was present in it.

* Not one person I have spoken with believes or can confirm she delivered any baby.


Following receipt of the above statutory declarations and statements, and in fairness to Cristine Ashcroft, ANZMI sent Ashcroft an email detailing the allegations made against her by former experienced 1CDO Regiment members, who served in Afghanistan at the identical time, and invited Ashcroft to respond if she wished.

Her response was that all her claims are true and that all the allegations (made about her) are false in their entirety. She then indicated that she would “brief” the State and Federal Police “who will practice due diligence in ascertaining the true online identities of (ANZMI) and those who have also participated in this crime.”
“I further advise you that the allegations contained in your email are defamatory, and cause significant damage to my well-earned reputation.
You will be contacted by my legal team in relation to this in due course.”
Chris Ashcroft.

We invited Ashcroft to complete a statutory declaration refuting the allegations made by her former Army colleagues. Also if she would like to provide the names of witnesses who can verify her claims. We have not had a reply from Ashcroft.

Threats of legal action against ANZMI are a common defence mechanism relied upon by persons who have had their military service questioned. We are not concerned by those threats and only seek to have the truth exposed in the public arena regarding Ashcroft’s claims. They need to be clarified for all concerned.

The criterion for the Invictus Games is below -;

Competing in the 2017 Invictus Games

What are the requirements for competing in the Invictus Games?

To be eligible to compete in the Invictus Games, you must be an active service member or veteran from one of the participating nations, who has been wounded, ill or injured during, or as a direct result of, your service.

So someone didn't review Ashcroft's service before signing off on her eligbility to participate in the Invictus Games!


It is important for all genuine Australian Invictus Games competitors that selection and/or representation as an Ambassador for those games is a rigorous process, where all candidates meet the necessary requirements honestly and with integrity.

We have notified the Invictus Games officials, the WVNA, and Claxton Speakers International, regarding our research.

The Invictus Games, Sydney, are 17 months away and this matter needs close scrutiny. It is a significant event with anticipated world wide media coverage. There is a great deal of credibility at stake here for the Australian Invictus Games organisers, and importantly, Cristine Ashcroft.

There needs to be an investigation and they need to get it right.

An update will be provided on this site in the near future.

Surname: Hammal
Christian Names: Roque Charles
Country: Australia
State or Province: NSW
City or Town: Copacabana
Service: Navy
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE - Roque Charles "China' Hammal (April 2021)

Among the liars, cheats and wannabes that grace the pages of the Australian & New Zealand Military Imposters Group (ANZMI), there are few in the same league as Roque Charles "China' Hammal. He was exposed on our website way back in 2003 and has received regular updates on his activities over the years. China Hammal is a joke, ridiculed by all genuine Veterans throughout Australia and New Zealand.

A majority of wannabes exposed by ANZMI eventually see the error of the actions and either apologise or drift off into the background, never to be seen publicly again. Not ‘China’, he just can’t help himself. Listeners to the Ray Hadley Morning Show on Radio 2GB last Friday would have heard the discussion about China Hammal’s latest venture which has seen the annual ANZAC Day Ceremony at Copacabana, on the NSW Central Coast hijacked by ‘China’ and his bogus ‘Navy Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association of NSW’. We say bogus because there is no record of such an association on the Australian Charities and Not-for-Profit Commission (ACNC) website, who are the Government regulators of charities in Australia.

We have been able to find ‘China’s’ previous charity, the ‘Navy Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association of Western Australia’ which was founded by ‘China’ but he appears to have cut and run from that organisation as there is no evidence that he currently holds any position in that group and it looks to us as if he has picked up in NSW where he left off in Western Australia by forming yet another suspect Ex-Service Organisation (ESO).

A check of the WA arm of his organistion on the ACNC website proves interesting reading. For example, in the 12 months prior to 2020, the ‘Navy Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association of Western Australia’ reported a total income of $9,706.00 with 61.36% coming from Government Grants. This ESO reported its expenses as being $7,850.00 for the same period. 100% of the expenses were reported as being for ‘other’ with no real explanation as to how it spends its money. It was also noted that the group is now overdue to report its 2020 Financial Report and Annual Information Statement.

This group is an example of the explosion of ESO’s in Australia over the past ten years or so and a good example of why there are significant issues in the Veterans Community. The plethora of ESO's and the willingness of the Government to provide financial support without scrutinising the actual work they do for Veterans means that money, so badly needed for genuine Veteran Support programs being provided by widely known and recognised ESO's suffer. The problem is anyone can start an ESO and get Charity Status, China Hammal has already proved that. The question is, does the ESO benefit Veterans, or someone else?

Now, ‘China’, a proven liar, and medal cheat, who had his Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) removed by the Governor General after we exposed him as the fraud really is, and our ongoing investigation vindicates all of our research and proves that he is at it again in Copacabana.

Not only has he formed his ESO again, this time in NSW, although it should be noted that there is NO record of the ‘Navy Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association of NSW’ being registered as a charity on the ACNC website that we can find.

‘China’ displays a pertinacity to see his name engraved in stone. It seems everywhere he goes he manages to have a memorial stone or plaque erected bearing his name. He did it in Western Australia, which perhaps explains the expenditure of Government grant money by his former ESO, and regrettably he did it again at Copacabana. These memorials are nothing more that a shrine to China Hammal and simply serve to fuel his delusions about his fictious service. The truth of his service in the Royal Australian Navy was nothing like he would have people believe, none of his stories are true. Again, we must stress, he is simply a liar, a cheat and a wannabe.

ANZMI urges the people of Copacabana to ‘take back’ their ANZAC Day Commemoration and as it was China, under the auspices of the ‘Navy Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association of NSW’ that was given permission by the local council to hold the event suggest that the council be made aware of the facts contained in this report and all of the preceding reports that are readily available on our website.

 

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UPDATE Roque Charles "China" Hammal 11 November 2019

Our old "China Plate" is back on the job. "China" Roque Charles Hammal now resides at Copacobana in New South Wales (NSW).

As long as he maintains that he was a "secret agent" who worked on land in North Vietnam during the Vietnam war, and as long as he wears five fake medals, we will continue to report his antics that are grossly insulting to the Australian Veteran community.

His latest endeavour to enhance his self created legend, was to become the awarder and awardee of a Remembrance Day memorial, that was unveiled in Copacobana, NSW , by a local politician on Remembrance Day 2019.



Here is the memorial that is located on Copa Green, next to the Copacobana Surf Club building.

 



Notice that the only name on the memorial is "Roque Charles 'China' Hammal"

Here is 'China' admiring his memorial and still wearing eight medals, five of which are fake. He claims these medals for his less than forty hours aboard HMAS Swan whilst safely anchored in Vung Tau, Vietnam Harbour:



The office of the politician involved was politely contacted before the event to warn him about Hammal, but a person named "Ben" would not listen, and told our researcher he was very rude then hung up. The MP can be very certain, that Veterans from his area are angered by the actions of Hammal and bewildered by the MP.

A bit of Hammal's history

He claims, that as a nineteen years old Royal Australian Navy (RAN) Engineering Mechanic Class 2, he was plucked from the RAN to serve on land in the Vietnam war for more than seven months on secret missions to North Vietnam.

The Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) Nominal Roll, shows he was there for seventeen days, but that is distorted, because of the RAN's flawed system. Hammal was aboard HMAS Swan in Vietnam waters when on escort duties for HMAS Sydney in October and December in 1971. In fact, Hammel spent less than twenty four hours in Vung Tau Harbour, Vietnam on each of his two visits. As we have previously pointed out, he wears eight medals, two of which he did not earn and three that are self purchased "tin".

Hammal with an air of self importance, and his usual guile and cunning has woven another web of lies in his new locality. He has arranged a memorial bearing his name to be placed in a public place, and then, to give it credence, has inveigled a politician to unveil it on Remembrance Day 2019.

Hammal is a recidivist liar who insults the integrity of Australian and New Zealand veterans.

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HAMMAL Update April, 2018.

Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Our old "China Plate" the big cheese Roque "China"  Hammal has been again reported to us as a recalcitrant wannabe.  Here is a recent photo of Hammal.

 

China Hammel

 

Our original report about Hammal was fifteen years ago and the above photo shows  he still wears the shonky medals that were reported at that time.  He also still relates ridiculous lies about his service.  Here is what he has written on a Facebook page:

 "I am only going to say this once ... do not believe everything you read from ANZMI as no one has the "Guts" to put their name at the bottom of the article.    You want to find out my true "Navy Service" go to the National Archives and search for my file that can be view publicly... search for my name " Roque Charles Hammal - Navy Offical Number - R106976 " you will find my all my Service Records ... make sure you look at all of them .... you will find the truth and nothing but the truth ... and notice my files are seal " Do Not Open " and what are open displayed to the public eyes are .. "expunged"... once again ... let us keep to the business of HELPING VETERANS".

 

The latest photo shows he stills wears eight medals. The last four on his rack  are fake.  It is also cogent that to earn the four legitimate medals,  "China" spent a total of less than Thirty Six hours in Vung Tau Harbour.  Instead of being satisfied with that over powering gesture by the Royal Australian Navy,  he decided to stick four more medals on his breast.

 

Hammal

 

The Department of Veterans Affairs Nominal Roll shows that he spent Seventeen Days in Vietnam,  but the RAN chose to include the number of days from original port departure, until return to final port.  In Hammal's case it was from Singapore and back to Singapore on HMAS Swan. With fifteen days in transit and less than two days in Vietnam.

 

Hammal

 

It seems that Hammal is quite content to live his whole life as a shameful lying wannabe.  At the time of our original report he richly deserved the truth of his actions and now after fifteen years he is still a persona non grata in the Veteran Community.  As long as he keeps up his charade of "behind the lines"  secret operations,  and wearing fake medals we will keep reporting his dishonesty.

 

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Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Over the years he has obtained more medals to add to his official ‘rack’ of three but it is suggested that he did this not only in an attempt to further his ‘heroic’ war service but also to add credence to his far fetched stories.
 

 

Some wannabes claim that their records are "Secret",  have been "Sanitised" or have been "Destroyed" in an attempt to further their standing in the Veteran community.   Some records are classified Secret when it becomes a matter of National security. An Able-Seaman would not fall into this category.   Sanitised is a new ‘buzz-word’ among wannabes with the implication that should you gain access to a persons file then you will not be able to see the complete file. Records are never Destroyed. Some wannabes claim this has happened and at times attempt to provide bogus proof of this.  In conjunction with this the 30 year secrecy act for Viet Nam is over.

Sadly for wannabes and Roque Charles Hammal, the truth always wins in the end.

Roque Charles "China’ Hammal was born in the British colony of Hong Kong on 23 August 1952, of mixed race parentage. He enlisted in the Royal Australian Navy [RAN] in Sydney on 18 Oct 1969, for a period of 9 years and was allocated Service Number R106976.   At that time he was 17 years and 2 months old and served continuously in the Navy for a period of 12 years and 17 days when he requested his own discharge, which was granted on 4 Nov 81, with the rank of Petty Officer.

Since that date Hammal has concocted many stories regaling his service. He carried out this litany of half truths and fabrications to such a level whereby people he has duped have come out in support of his nefarious and spurious service and stated that they had examined Hammal's service records and supposed letters from government departments, that actually support his stories. How wrong they were.  See below.





Below are a series of photo’s taken at various times at official functions and parades.



Now compare these photo’s with Hammal’s true entitlement shown here.

Hammal made application for and was issued his Service Medals in the following order:

1.      Returned From Active Service Badge in 1991,

2.      Viet Nam Logistics Service Medal in 1993,

3.      Australian Active Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp: Viet Nam, in1997, and

4.      Australian Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp FESR, in 1997.

These are all he is entitled to wear.

In addition to his real entitlement Hammal wears the following authorised medal without being lawfully issued it and the following "tin"/commemorative medals:

Vietnamese Campaign Medal  - Instituted by the Government of the Republic of Viet Nam and awarded to Australians with the Queen's permission, for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters between 31 July 1962 and 27 January 1973. Service of a lesser period also qualified if brought to an end by death due to enemy action or by being wounded in action i.e. classified as a Battle Casualty. Lesser service terminated by "medical" evacuation to Australia (sickness etc.) did not qualify.  This medal is shown below.  The unlawful wearing of this medal now places him in the position of being charged under the new act and liable to a fine of $3300 and a maximum jail sentence of 6 months.

Navy Tin Medals such as the HMAS Sydney Medal -  A tin association medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

The Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal - A tin commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

Foreign Service Medal -  A tin  commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

 

If worn at all, these tin medals should be worn on the right breast, inline with awarded medals which are worn by the recipient on the left breast.

You will see from evidence produced below that ‘China’ Hammal’s real Viet Nam Service consisted of approximately 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on the HMAS Swan, a ship that did not anchor. An extract of evidence from  an AAT hearing on the activities of HMAS Swan in Vietnamese waters is shown below.



     

                               

For this service he is entitled to wear the Australian Active Service Medal (AASM) with Clasp Viet Nam and the Viet Nam Logistics Support Medal (VLSM)."   See the real entitlement to medals for China at the beginning of this page.

Some of Hammal's claims of Navy service:

Claim 1. Hammal has stated "Prior to my transfer from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in October 69 I had a short induction period in HMAS Penguin Diving School in February 69".  See below his own words.


               



Fact 1. Hammal has made the claim of transferring to the Royal Australian Navy from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in Oct 69. His records however show that he applied for enlistment in the RAN on 6 Aug 69 in Sydney, NSW and was enlisted on 18 Oct 69, where he declared on his enlistment papers, D.R.1, 89/69  that he had no prior Military service.
 

During his childhood ( 7 & 8 yrs old) he was billeted with his parents at HMS Tamar on Stonecutters Island (1959-60) which was the Royal Navy shore base in Hong Kong. This is confirmed on his Dept of Navy Personal Particulars Form CDO 4664 dated 12 Aug 69 shown here.


              



This would be the only contact he had with the RN. Also, on form DR1 (Application Form For Males for Enlistment) at para 10, "State highest education standard attained and name of school", he has answered "Form 5, King George Fifth School, 1969, Hong Kong.". This form dated 6 Aug 69 is shown here.

             



Claim 2. Also in the statement below he claims, "When HMAS Perth had her major refits in Sydney, I served in HMAS Parramatta during the fall of Saigon".

 

                                                 



Fact 2. From a search of posting records it is revealed that Hammal was posted to HMAS Parramatta on 17 Oct 73 until 5 May 74. The last time HMAS Parramatta was in Vung Tau harbour was on 22 May 71(for a period of 4 hrs 30mins). Saigon fell to North Viet Nam 4 years later on 30 Apr 75. This is another ridiculous and laughable claim.

Claim 3. Another from the same statement below by Hammal  is, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker". (The term "bubblie" is RAN parlance for a Clearance Diver as opposed to a ships diver) 

 

                                                  



Fact 3. Hammal’s records show that he commenced an ABCD (Able Seaman Clearance Diver) course at HMAS Penguin, a shore based facility at Pittwater in Sydney, on 3 Jan 71. He remained at HMAS Penguin until 1 March 71, a period of 8 weeks, then he was transferred to HMAS Cerberus, another shore based facility. The length of time required to successfully complete the ABCD course was 8 months for the 1971 course so one can see that Hammal failed the course and could never have served as a Clearance Diver (CD) in Viet Nam.

Claim 4. Further to the rest of Hammal's entertaining claims as shown below, comes the one where he states," After a short introduction to the RAN in HMAS Cerberus I had various duties and served in numerous ships including a period in HMS Danae during the Viet Nam campaign".

 

Fact 4. A search of HMS Danae’s (Royal Navy) crew listing (1967-71) does not show any person named Hammal. Another absurd claim easily disproved because the full crew listing may be found at [bookmark us first....this will take you away from the site] http://www.fullspeed.to/hmsdanaeand Hammal’s naval records do not show any posting or attachments to not only the RN but to HMS Danae from the RAN.

Claim 5.
In Claim 3 above it can be seen that Hammal has stated that, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker".

Fact 5.  Notice that Hammal has stated "3,088 days at sea" not in sea going ships but, days at sea. The claim of serving "3,088 days at sea" is simply another ludicrous claim. 3,088 days is 8 yrs and 5 mths out of a total of 12 yrs 17 days service.

This is a list of Hammal’s postings to sea going ships as copied from his official Navy records.

HMAS Anzac: 20 Apr 70 to 3 Jan 71 = 258 days.

HMAS Swan: 13 Aug 71 to 21 Jan 73 = 557 days.* #

HMAS Perth: 22 Jan 73 to 16 Oct 73 = 266 days.

HMAS Parramatta: 17 Oct 73 to 04 May 74 = 198 days.

HMAS Perth: 05 May 74 to 08 Feb 76 = 643 days.

HMAS Perth: 10 Jun 77 to 02 Dec 79 = 905 days.

Total = 2827 days on sea going ships.

* While posted to HMAS Swan, Hammal had, according to his leave record, a total of 90 days leave. Also during this period, according to the ships movements logs, the Swan spent 180 days in different ports. This means that out of 557 days on this sea going ship Hammal actually spent 287 days at sea.

# Also, it was in this period that Hammal did his one and only visit to Viet Nam.   HMAS Swan was allocated for service from 4 Oct 71 to 14 Oct 71 and accordingly departed Singapore on 4 Oct, met up with HMAS Sydney on 5 Oct, arrived and left Vung Tau on 6 Oct and arrived Manila on 14 Oct.

On both of HMAS Swan’s visits to Vung Tau, ships records indicate that the ship never anchored at any time thus making diving operations impossible. Evidence from an AAT hearing confirms this as shown below.


 

Claim 6. From Hammal’s local community newspaper, the Cockburn Gazette, dated  June 11 -  June 17, 2002 in an interview given, Hammal states, "China served in the Hong Kong Navy and the Australian Navy for more than 12 years which involved three years in the Viet Nam war."
 


 

Nowhere can it be found that Hammal refuted the above claims.

Fact 6. Claims of serving in Viet Nam for 3 years are simply ludicrous. The last RAN Escort ship in Vietnamese waters was the HMAS Vampire which departed the port of Vung Tau for Palau Tioman on 24 Nov 72.   Three years before this date ( 24 Nov 69) Hammal had just enlisted in the RAN.

Claim 7. From The West Australian newspaper dated 10 June 2002 in an article written by reporter Ben Ruse, Hammal made the statement that he, "trained as a diver in Hong Kong and went to Viet Nam with the Royal Australian Navy in 1969 at the age of 17."
 



Nowhere can it be found that Hammal has refuted this statement.

Fact 7. As can be seen in Fact 1 above, Hammal never enlisted in the RAN until 18 Oct 69. Taking into account the time required for him to complete his "rookies" course at HMAS Cerberusit is just farcical to claim he went to Viet Nam in 1969.

It is indeed a sad day when a sailor who has done so much for the Veteran community has to enhance his service far beyond what he infact did during service, as this now tarnishes everything he has done for that Veteran community and has also caused those within this community to rise against him and have the Order of Australia Medal that he was offered, quashed. Further to this Hammal had a sob story for the WA Sunday Times, dated 14th September 2003,  in which he continues to tell his lies in an endeavour to convince the public that he was worthy of the award.    See below,  you make the judgement.
 

To be a recipient of this medal, you must have a good standing in the community and a flawless record.   Non-disclosure of discrepancies can and does see the award rescinded.   This is unfortunate due to the outstanding work that Hammal has done within the community, but lies and deceit are not tolerated and the reward for this is removal of the medal as has been the case here.  Veterans were outraged at this award and took appropriate action to have it rescinded.   This is now going to create further expense for the Veteran community as this plaque below displaying OAM after Hammal’s name will have to be recast to reflect the truth. This is in Fremantle, Western Australia.

                                            

It has been alleged that  he didn’t fully understand the form and failed to disclose a matter of convictions from his past.  It is also alleged that because of his mixed race background he didn’t understand the wording of the applicable form for acceptance of the OAM.   This is refuted as he is a British subject who’s primary language is English and was at birth and has been the primary language used for approximately 34 years since arriving in Australia in 1969.

Over the past few years Veterans began to become aware of the tall stories that have emanated from Hammal and they began to check into his service record to obtain the truth.   Many Navy personnel approached CPMH for assistance here and we have worked quietly with the growing number of these Veterans who sought the truth.   It has taken a number of  years and with the assistance of all the Veterans involved we now have the truth as you see it here on these pages.

Hard copies of these records are now in our possession and these are what have been used to reflect the truth shown on these pages.

CPMH makes no apology for this entry on our pages and does not intend to pursue this into the depths of the welfare organisation that Hammal created in Western Australia, unless it is revealed that there are more untruths reported by Veterans that can do damage to the Veteran Community as a whole. This would then become a matter for other government departments and we would hand over any information that we uncovered and proved,  to the relevant authority for appropriate action.

China Hammal is a Veteran in his own right.  He has been awarded the medals as we stated above.  He has no entitlement to wear any other awards on his rack other than those we have indicated.  The Veteran Community of Western Australia should now make him aware of this and ensure that the “tin”and other illegal medals  that he wears are removed as they are an embarrassment to all genuine Veterans.   If Hammal is that gullible that he has to wear tin then they should be racked separately and worn on the right breast, well away from his awarded medals, so that the genuine people can have a quiet chuckle as he proudly displays them.

This applies to anyone who feels they have a need to wear tin.

If after being advised the protocol for wearing medals and awards he is still unsure then he should be directed to Ex Service Organisation sites where he can read the correct protocol for wearing medals after discharge………All people who wear tin would be well advised to do this as these “tin” medals are becoming an embarrassment to us all.

The Viet Nam Campaign Medal,  for 181 days "continuous Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters,  worn by Hammal has not been awarded to him.   The fines and punishments for fraudulently wearing decorations has just been amended in Parliament and penalties increased quite considerably.  Removal of this award is strongly recommended or appropriate action from the relevant authorities will be sought in the near future.
 

              
 

This photo is the latest taken -  30 Nov 2003

and so endeth the myth of the legendary service of this sailor. We can only hope that he wakes up to reality now, removes the un-awarded and tin medals he wears and continues his life as it should be, for it is these lies and his undeclared past, that has seen the awarding of the Order of Australia Medal rescinded.  A further conviction will be sought if the illegal medal is not removed.

 

Cheers China.........the beers are on us. 

There will no doubt be many comments passed on this site entry.  Please come back and visit again as we will post them all here for you to see......good and bad.  Your details will be recorded by CPMH but not displayed.  This section is to  allow you to  make your judgement on if we have been fair in exposing the truth.  This is the area where you can have your say......not our guest book.

THE CHINA HAMMAL COMMENTS SECTION
The comments below will only show which Military Service the person belonged to.

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
  Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 6:43 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: China & PERTH launch
G'day CPMH,
An excellent article on CPMH.  I noted that you have concentrated on the facts and have not bought up any information which could be labelled as "putting the knife in"  -  well done.

Once again, well done on an article which should not draw too many "brickbats" for being demeaning.  It is pure fact and that should be quite obvious to readers.

Regards and Happy New Year,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2003 9:16 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net 
Subject: China & PERTH launch
G'day Guys,
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours.
 
Here's a snippet and prediction . . . . .
 
Tenix in Williamstown have just sent out lots of invitations to the launch of PERTH(3), happening on Saturday 20th March 2004.  Our dearest "friend" China would have received one, along wilt all PERTH Association members.
 
Here's my prediction . . . . .  I'd almost bet that China will accept the invitation, and if he does, he'll "demand" money from the ANVVWA ("his" welfare association) to cover the cost of airfares and accommodation for at least himself, and possibly his partner.  Reason to be given will be that since he is proposing to replicate the PERTH bells, the welfare association should pay for his attendance so he can personally make arrangements for the bell "donation".
Navy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 8:52 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: CHINA

fellas what can I say? After what seems years the XXX fool has been nailed to the wall.
 There is a God! You do realise that China will bleat his innocence to anyone that will listen.
 But he didn't reckon on the care factor. WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
regards
Navy
 
PS I have taken the liberty to forward that article on to the number of ex-members of the RAN who had the misfortune to serve with the XXX lying XXXXX XXXX.
Can I ring a friend?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 4:05 AM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

China should remember that there are people out there whose memory of events are far better than his. His OAM citation should read Order of All-round Manipulator.  China has to realize that he has over the years upset a lot of people and being awarded the OAM was the straw that broke the camels back. Bullxxxx as much as you like, but do it quietly, and to yourself. That way the person you are talking too can believe the stories.

 
regards
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 20:30 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

Well the lies have been around for a long time and now we finally have the truth.  There are a lot in the west who will have egg on their face once they read this entry.  Well done CPMH.  All us "real" veterans applaud you for your efforts.  Do government departments read your site?  If they do they should gather the facts, compare it to what they have on record and then conduct their own investigations as there is a lot more to this "bubblie" than you have shown here.   Congratulations on getting his OAM removed too.  He is not a worthy recipient of this award and if he had it, it would only belittle all those who have it or receive it in the future.  It is now up to the veterans in WA to replace the plaque that displays his name with OAM after it..........the bill should be sent to China for its replacement.

Navy
NB:  CPMH were not responsible for the removal of the OAM award.  This was taken up by concerned Veterans who, under their own steam ensured that the truth was known concerning this award.   CPMH congratulates them for their concerns and attention to this matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 9:17 AM
To: CPMH (Wannabe's)
Subject: China
 
As the advert' says....."I don't know how he can live with himself"
Thankyou CPMH, you've done a sterling job, I can only hope someone takes the ***** to court.
Regards
Navy 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:45 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Roque (china) Hammal

To the instigator of this website.
I am very concerned that your organisation has taken it upon itself to "expose" persons who you claim to be not entitled to wear the medals or have not served their country in the manner which appears to be supported by the official records of the military system and D.V.A.
I am also very well aquainted with China and can vouch for his support of the veteran community in general. I believe that I would be dead or very incapable of looking after myself or anyone else if I had not received some very genuine assistance from China.
I realise that there are many people who do pretend to be what they are not. These are usually detected very quickly and do not need the national publicity of your website to deter them from offending further once discovered.
In fact, I feel very sorry for those that feel they need to act out a role to which they probably could never have belonged.
Your insistence that China wears medals to which he is not entitled is one which should be referred to the Commonwealth Police if you have genuine information that this is the case. You do not have the authority to libel anyone, regardless of the "crime" you think they may have commited. That is exactly what you are doing and your website and its various connections are being investigated further to establish what charges may be brought against you personally and anyone else found to be linked to your site.
It would appear that this attempt to villify various individuals may be connected to your own shortcomings. Perhaps you would care to make personal contact with me through my e-mail address, I will be happy to let you "investigate" me, but I assure you, that I will be doing the same for you and anyone connected with you.
I will be seeking further information about you and will refer all found to the appropriate authorities.
Yours very sincerely,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 8:48 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Cc:
Subject: China Hammal

 Another error in your drivel is that HMS Tamar is not on Stonecutters island it is situated on Hong Kong Island . Please print only correct facts - this includes the facts regarding the wearing of commemorative medals and the length of navy diving courses.
Navy

NB:....when one quotes facts one should check facts first.  http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/11/hong.kong/

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent:Thursday, 8 January 2004 5:26 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: China Hammal

 To those of you at CPMH who have put China Hammal's name up in lights on your websight, and "exposed" him for not being entitled to wear the Vietnam Campaign Medal, you may want to start thinking about how you are going to pay the defamation suit that I hope he brings against you.   The fact that not one of you have the guts to publicly state who you are, will not help you in the end.   You will be exposed for the world to see and there are those of us who will ensure that your names are spread around, just as you have spread China's name.    The difference between you and us, is that despite your so called criteria, we will do our homework properly and get it right before we name you.   In your report on how investigations are done you claim that in the case of real veterans, they are always given the chance to cease and desist before publication.   Just when did you contact China and give him this option?   You didn't, and he would not have done so in any case.   He doesn't have to prove anything to you anonymous cowards.  Like the gutless wonders you are, you went ahead and published this litany of lies without even following your own guidelines and checking the facts.

The people who have compiled the data on China have very conveniently changed things around to suit their own twisted ideas of what really transpired during his service in the RAN.   Had they bothered to check the Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (WA Inc) website, and clicked on to "Committee," they would have been able to read both his claims to wearing the Vietnam Campaign Medal and the OAM Story.    There is ample proof there that shows he has been investigated by the Department of Veterans Affairs, The Commonwealth Fraud Squad, and the Vietnam Veterans Association of  Australia WA Branch Inc, all of whom have verified his entiltlement to this medal.

You claim that the Vietnamese Campaign Medal was awarded with the Queen's permission for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Vietnam or adjacent waters.   If you had done your homework, you would have known that no Australian navy ship served in adjacent waters off the coast of Vietnam for 181 continuous days during the Vietnam conflict.  The four destroyers HMAS Perth, Hobart, Brisbane and Vendetta were deployed for periods in excess of six months from their home port of Sydney on their tours of duty,  but they did not serve continuously on the Gunline for 181 days at any time.   There must have been some other criteria for the awarding of this medal to RAN sailors.   We know what it was, why don't you?

As far as his  commemorative medals are concerned, there is no law which says he cannot wear them wherever he likes once he becomes a civilian.   Some ex service Associations have made their own rules about the wearing of these medals.    The Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association  (WA), of which China is the Honourable Chairman does not have any such regulations.   If he chooses to wear them for whatever reason, that is his business, and neither you nor any other association has the right to say he cannot wear them.   As someone already explained to you, despite your sarcastic remark of "yeah....right on," those of us who served on the logistic support ships, ie HMAS Sydney and her escorts, and were not real heros like yourselves had to fight for many years for recognition which was why some chose to wear commemorative medals.   Had you bothered to do your checking on that fact, you would have known that to be true.

The writer points out that China's real service in Vietnam consisted of 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on HMAS Swan, and produces a letter to back this up.   Unfortunately this letter never mentions anything about the Swan being in Vietnamese waters during this "Operation Awkward," which by the way was a common operational name given to many exercises during my 20 years in the RAN.   The letter mentions Thailand and Hong Kong but not Vietnam and gives no dates when this particular "Operation Awkward" took place.

China has never claimed that he was a clearance diver in the RAN.  He wore a cuff rate (badge) on his uniform to indicate that he was a ship's diver.   Under no circumstances would he have been able to wear this badge and perform diving duties if he was not qualified to do so.   As one of his Petty Officers on HMAS Perth in 1973, I distinctly remember that China was often required to perform diving duties (Bubblie) as opposed to Engineering duties (Stoker), and for that reason whilst on the Engineering Watchbill, most of his duties allowed him to be freed up quickly for diving duties if required.

Your writer disputes  China's claim that he served on HMS Danae for a period of time during the Vietnam conflict, and provides a website that lists the ships crew from 1967-71.   A check of this website reveals that it primarily concerns HMS Danae's first commission from 1967-69, when it returned to the UK, and lists the crew for that period of time.  It does not show any deployment details past October 2, 1969, which was before China enlisted in the RAN.   China could very well have been posted to HMS Danae on  temporary duties during his service and it would not necessarily show up in his Service Records.  Since you guys are so clever and have access to everything, it should be a simple matter for you to cross reference  HMS Danae's later deployments and those of the RAN ships China was on and see if you can match up anything.  You might just be surprised.   Many of these types of posting were logged only by confirmation signals between ships and  c.c.'d  to relevant authorities in Navy Office.   During my time on HMAS Perth in 1981, I did temporary exchange duties with USS Charles F Adams for about five days in the Indian Ocean.   This is not listed on my Service Records.   My service records also do not indicate that whilst serving at sea, I was hospitalised at HMAS Penguin for a week on two occasions.   This is confirmed by my medical records.

In China's claim that he served at sea for a period of time, your writer is clutching at straws by stating that he served on "sea going ships" as opposed to being "at sea."     In the RAN a person is posted either to shore or to sea.  That the ship may not be underway, does not diminish the fact that a person is classified as being "at sea."  by Navy Office.    A special payment called Hard Laying Allowance was paid to all sailors serving on ships irrespective of whether the ship was actually underway or sitting in dry dock, and an extra two weeks leave per year was granted to these sailors to compensate for the fact that they were at sea and living in abnormal conditions compared to their counterparts on shore based  postings.

China's service record indicates that he spent an extraordinary amount of time at sea from April 1970 until December 1979.   This is completely out of proportion to the normal sea/shore ratio for engineering sailors of his rank during that time, which was approximately two and a half years at sea followed by 18 months in a shore posting.   It appears that his only shore time was taken to allow him to do the necessary courses required for further training and promotion.   Perhaps your writer can explain this anomoly.

It has already been shown that just because a person was posted to a ship,  doesn't necessarily mean that he was actually on the ship for the full period of time without going elsewhere.   China joined the RAN  in October 1969,  Saigon fell in 1975.   China has stated he served for 12 years in the RAN, which involved 3 years in the Vietnam War.  He has also stated he was sent to HMAS Parramatta during HMAS Perth's refit in Sydney and was on that ship during the fall of Saigon.  Whilst Saigondid not actually fall until 1975, the writing was on the wall long before that time and the Americans had started a massive pull out.   HMAS Parramatta was in Asian waters during that time when the Americans started to pull out of Vietnam.  That is the period of time China refers to during his HMAS Parramatta sea service.    Simply because a particular ship that he was on was not actually in Vietnamese waters has no bearing on where China might have been at any time during his service career.    His claim is for 207 days in Vietnam.    If you had bothered to check the movements of the ships he served on from 1970 until his return to HMAS Perth in May 1974, you might have realised that most of the times these ships were in Asian waters.

Your writer conveniently supplied me with China's leave record for his period of 18 months service on HMAS Swan.    He states that China had 90 days leave.   RAN regulations would only have entitled him to 63 days for that length of time on a ship.    So how did he manage to get an extra 27 days?    Where was he, and when was this leave taken in relation to the ships movements?

Your claim that an Able Seaman (ie China) would never have records classified "Secret" and be destroyed are also false.   If you bothered to check the ANVVWA website there is a letter from the Department of Defence confirming that China's files namely, Postings/Transfers of Branch Files, Removals and Associated Allowances Files and Overseas Allowances Files were destroyed in 1990 and 1989 respectively.   Why would an Able Seaman have these files destroyed?   If there were nothing in these files that were not "Undicloseable," why were they destroyed?   China's  Service Rankings do not have any bearing on what he actually did or where he went at various times during his RAN career.    This is what you people have not and cannot establish.

You congratulate some Veterans for ensuring that China's OAM was rescinded.    It is a pity that these small minded people didn't clean up their own backyards first.   They live in glass houses, and shouldn't  throw stones.    China never asked for this award, and it was other Veterans who nominated him for it in the first place in appreciation for all he has done for the Veteran community, irrespective of which Service they served in..    He filled in the appropriate forms correctly and answered all questions asked of him honestly.    It is only a few senile old fools in other Associations, jealous of China's standing in the community, who are trying to bring him down.   This is known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome.   If they really are that upset about his name and OAM post nominals appearing on the plaque, then let them replace it at their cost.    The rest of us don't care.   If it wasn't for China's efforts, the Monument to RAN Personnel who served and lost their lives in Vietnam would not even be there.   He got off his arse and made it happen.

China's mates will stand by him, and like him, we don't give a toss about you, or the rest of the backstabbers.    You people have no right to set yourselves up as Judge, Jury and Executioners.   If you believe you are correct in your assassination of China's character, then I challange all of you responsible for compiling and publishing these accusations to at least have the intestinal fortitude to put your names to the accusations.   If you believe you have the proof, take it to the appropriate authorities for them to investigate properly.

XXXXXX

Ex RAN

   7th March 2009

Hammal has had his TPI Special Rate reinstated – this is a scandalous affair and a sad day for the veteran community

 

Chairman of the Australian Naval Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (ANVVWA) Peter Denver has gleefully advised that China Hammal has had his TPI, Special Rate reinstated. Reinstatement has been verbally confirmed by the Department of Veterans Affairs and it is a sad day for truth, honesty and the integrity of Veterans everywhere. This is what Denver has written:

 

“Quite often I get asked how our Association founder is getting on these days. Those of you that know China Hammal are probably aware that there were people in the veteran community that did not like him, and complained to DVA that his status as a TPI was not based on service related conditions. These complaints resulted in DVA investigators coming to the conclusion that he was not entitled to his TPI pension, and subsequently took it off him.   As a result of these malicious complaints from other veterans, he had no money, had been advised he had to repay over $230,000 to DVA, was unable to work, was reduced to handouts from charitable organizations, and was often on the very edge of giving up the will to live.  

 

Those of us who knew the man, refused to accept the decision by the DVA investigators, and we stood along side him as mates.    We supported and assisted him financially to survive, helped him to get his VRB Appeal together, and he finally had his day at the VRB in January 2008.   

 

The VRB heard his appeal, and they accepted the evidence that China presented, that his claim was genuine.  This was the same evidence, that China had advised the DVA investigators was available if they would look at it during their investigation.   They did not do it.  China won his appeal and his TPI status was restored.   He received all the back pay that had been withheld.  DVA have not lodged an appeal against the decision handed down by the VRB.   What those people who call themselves veterans did to another veteran was unforgivable in my book.   They are not worthy of the title veteran.     The truth prevailed.  

 

Peter Denver

Chairman”

 

China Hammal was the founder of ANVVWA and was well known for his ability to “sell” pensions to his Pusser mates.  “Just sign the blank application, tell China on which ships you served and he would conjure up all kinds of trauma stressors to get you the TPI Special Rate, and of course there was the donation to ANVVWA for services rendered.” There are many smiling ex Pussers in the Perth WA area who benefited greatly, but dishonestly from China’s legerdemain.

After reading the original ANZMI reports on China you will understand that he was/is a thoroughly dishonest and unprincipled human being.

Before China was re-instated an article in the ANVVWA Newsletter was included, begging for funds to “Bring China Back to Perth for ANZAC Day 2009”. Here is the article:

                                                                    HELPING A MATE

Some of you may remember our Association founder  China Hammal, and may be aware of the disgusting inquisition that he had to endure at the hands of DVA investigators in which he lost his TPI status as a result of complaints that were made against him by other veterans in the community, who for reasons best known to themselves decided that he was not entitled to his TPI.   I am sure that those of you who know him are also aware that he won his case at the VRB, and his TPI was restored.  

Sadly there are still people out there who will not let it go, and they continue to hassle him about the medals he wears, which he believes he is entitled to wear, and which his detractors have never proved that he is not entitled to wear them.    This has upset him so much that he no longer participates in Remembrance Day, Vietnam Veterans Day, or ANZAC Day Services and the march in NSW where he now lives.

A motion was put forward at our last Association meeting that we try and get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009.   His financial situation is such that he cannot afford to pay his own way over here, as he is still trying to repay debts as a result of losing his TPI. It was agreed that we would try and raise the cost of his return airfare amongst ourselves.   As such we have started a private fund raiser in the office called "China Hammal – ANZAC Day 2009."    Please Note: No Association Funds will be used for this cause.

Anyone who would like to help us get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009 so he can be with his mates on this important day in the veteran community, can send a donation to our office either by cheque or money order made out to Peter Denver  our ANVVWA Chairman or Carole Matthews our ANVVWA Secretary.   Please include a note saying it is for "China Hammal - ANZAC Day 2009", and not a donation to our Association.  You will be issued with a receipt provided you include your return address, and the money will be kept in a private safe until we have sufficient to purchase his return airfare.   Any money left over after purchasing his plane ticket, from the donations received will be given to China as a gift from his mates to help him out financially.   In the event that this falls through, and he does not come over, you will be given a refund of your donation less any postage costs etc.   Further details in

Surname: Moore
Christian Names: Gary
Country: Australia
State or Province: Victoria
City or Town: Crib Point
Service: Nil
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE: Gary Moore Crib Point RSL

The scurrilous wannabe Gary Moore of Crib Point was exposed as a Vietnam wannabe and valour thief, in late 2020.

He has represented the Crib Point RSL by marching on commemorative occasions with the flag. It is also suspected that he is wearing two medals on his left breast in the photograph below:

Moore 1

 

Moore is still on the committee of the Crib Point RSL, works behind the bar, and is a welfare officer at the behest of his good mate, the President of the Crib Point RSL Mr John "Geordie" Ord and the management committee.

Moore has been completely forgiven for his valour theft, by "his mate", the President John Ord. Ord issued an ultimatum, that if the current committee gets rid of Moore, he will resign, and the lily livered committee allowed him to get away with it.

The problem with the ten members of the Crib Point RSL Board is that apart from Ord, only one other, has ever served in the Australian, or any other Defence Force.

Most on the committee are controlled by Ord. Ord has been President for 39 years, democracy does not reign, and the Board does as Ord directs.

Ord enlisted into the Army on 28 January 1964 for a three year period, and was discharged on 7 Feb 1967. After recruit training, he was allocated to Royal Australian Army Corps of Signals, (RA Sigs), however, he failed the Signals training, and was transferred to Australian Army Catering Corps (AACC), where he served as a private cook for the remaining twenty two months of his enlistment period. During his three years of service, he was officially charged and disciplined eight times. Here is an example:

Moore 2

 

Although the Vietnam war was in full force during his time of service, he was never deployed overseas. In summary, he spent three years in the Army, of which ten months involved training, and was charged eight times.

Ord still exhibits the same lack of regard for protocol and rules, as he did fifty four years ago when he was serving. Here is a photograph of Ord, wearing an RSL award on his left breast. National RSL constitution by laws, direct that the medal is worn on the right breast.

Moore 4

 

Here are the RSL National instructions on wearing that award.

Moore 3

Moore 5

Beside not having a clue on how to wear the medal. His right hand across his right breast indicates he is attempting the Veterans Salute to fallen comrades. In fact his right hand should be covering, his Australian Defence Medal, as per this tradition.

"The Veterans Salute to their “Fallen Comrades” originated in London on Armistice Day in 1920, during the ceremony to unveil and dedicate the Cenotaph in Whitehall at the same time a funeral procession accompanying the remains of the “Unknown Soldier” halted at the Cenotaph during the ceremony before proceeding to Westminster Abbey for internment. Those present included the senior Soldier, sailor and many Victoria Cross winners. The ceremony concluded with a march past. The Regimental Sergeant Major of the Guard Regiment conducting the ceremony, faced with a gathering of highly decorated and high ranking military men (including many Victoria Cross winners), all wearing rows of medals, decreed that all would salute the Cenotaph as they marched past by placing their hand over their medals, signifying that “No matter what honours we may have been awarded they are nothing compared with the honour due to those who paid the supreme sacrifice
”.

In addition Ord is the President, Secretary and Welfare Officer, whilst Moore is also a Wefare Officer and Barman. Moore does most of the Welfare work, however, neither Ord or Moore, have been trained, and neither are qualified for the task, and therefore must not be designated on the management board as Welfare officers. Under Ord's autocratic presidency, anything he says goes.

It is incongruous to have Moore, a liar, cheat and wannabe voting as a committee man at an RSL. It is obvious that President John Orr, is still as much an ill disciplined problem, as he was, when he served in the Army.

Moore has committed the ultimate insult against veterans, and a formal criminal offence, against the Defence Act 1903 Part VII Section 80A, by falsely representing to be returned soldier. For that criminal act, there is a maximum fine of $3,300 or six months imprisonment, or both. Victoria Police are involved, and Moore is being investigated.

RSL Sub branches on the Mornington Peninsula, and RSL sub branches everywhere. as well as all Veterans, ex Service men and woman, are urged to contact the Victoria RSL, and protest about the shameful handling of Moore and discordant management of the Crib Point Victoria RSL.

We assert that Moore must be expelled with ignominy and the entire committee removed.

****

Four years ago, Gary Moore, was accepted as an Associate member of the Crib Point RSL Sub Branch, on the basis of his father's seventy two days of WWII Army service in the Australia Army, in 1940. Since acceptance Moore has been elected as a member of the RSL management committee:

Moore 1


Immediately on arrival, he asserted to members that he is a damaged Vietnam veteran, and exhibited symptoms of PTSD to all and sundry.

Having been exposed as a fake, he admits his deceit and apologises. We are sure, he is sorry, because he was caught, and not because of his offence.

Moore is a classic bogus Vietnam Veteran. He even wrote a four page account of his Vietnam Service Titled "A walk in the light green". Here are the last two paragraphs of his four page essay.

"Bursts of machine-gun fire, rifle fire. Choppers frantically dropping the rest of our company off, then getting out as fast as they can before they collect their share of lead. I watch Frank and Dougie’s chopper come in, the pilot is not game enough to come in any lower than a few metres from the ground, so they decide to jump, a long way to the ground, as their chopper is hit by machine gun fire, killing the pilot and spiralling into the ground. I hear the cries and screams of the soldiers, but we cannot help.
Hand signals indicate to move out in arrowhead formation in quick time. Get out of this exposed position and into the edge of the Long Green".


We hold numerous Statutory Declarations, detailing what Moore has directly told others at the RSL. Here are examples:

"His PTSD is magnified by the fact that he shot and killed, a 15 year old Vietnamese boy".

"While sitting with head in hands, he stated it was a dark day, as one of my Vietnam veteran mates has just committed suicide".

"Stated he would not seek assistance for his war caused PTSD from a Government, who treated Vietnam Veterans so badly, on their return to Australia".


Veterans everywhere, particularly those who served in Vietnam, will not forgive Moore's antics, however, the President of the Crib Point RSL, Mr John R Ord, fully condones Moore's behaviour and states in an email:

"I have been the President for 37 years and on the executive over 40 years I run a very strict club and I believe every Member will agree that they don't want to be called in the office by myself, Gary has twice and received a very severe dressing down from me, he realises his errors and is I believe very embarrassed He did offer to resign from committee, which I refused to accept as I believe he is a great asset to the Sub Branch and does a lot of good work and has learned his lesson"..

Moore is a freewheeling "big noter" at the RSL, who is quick to do the President's bidding.

Despite the covering up, there are many people from the area who will not tolerate Moore's, and the President's behaviour.

Moore has extolled to many, at Crib Point, that he is a mentally harmed, Vietnam Veteran. He is a freewheeling, big noting Committee Member at the RSL, who has won the Presidents favour because he is quick to do the Presidents bidding.

Moore knows nothing about the reality of Veterans' actual suffering, as a result of the Vietnam war. He has no redeeming qualities, and is placed on this web site with ignominy, for Australia and the whole world to know of his disgraceful behaviour.

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