Stolen Valour

Stolen Valour

Surname: Lenihan
Christian Names: Craig
Country: Australia
State or Province: Queensland
City or Town: Bauple
Service #: Unknown
Service: Unknown
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE LENIHAN MARCH 20

Following our original report on Lenihan there have been major ructions at the Maryborough Qld RSL, including numerous front page media headlines.

Lenihan is the Club Manager of the Maryborough RSL. The RSL Club and the Sub Branch is an amalgamated organisation where the "RSL Club section" is managed by the Sub Branch executive. Lenihan was appointed manager of the RSL Club in early 2018.

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When appointed he addressed his staff, and told them that he is an East Timor Veteran, who was involved in fighting in the war in East Timor. That was a lie.

Genuine veterans heard his address and could discern inconsistencies in his story. We investigated the matter and found that Lenihan is a liar and a wannabe, and we published our findings on this website in late 2018. Despite our findings, the Maryborough RSL executive chose to believe that Lenihan was a genuine returned veteran, and the RSL Sub Branch President Mr George Mellick strongly supported Lenihan by keeping him in his job and threatening ANZMI with legal action paid for by the RSL.

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Lenihan's denials of being a wannabe continued throughout 2019, resulting in Lenihan being charged by Qld State Police, for falsely claiming to be a returned veteran, and wearing medals he had not been awarded.

During the Police investigation, it was discovered that Lenihan had illegal drugs in his possession. As a consequence, Lenihan was also charged with the drug offence.

In late 2019 Lenihan went on fully paid stress leave. Not because of the stress of his job, but because of the wannabe lies he told whilst addressing RSL staff in 2018.

At the RSL Club, throughout 2019, arguments and dissension were rife and was directly linked to Lenihan's lies. Genuine returned veterans could not abide the RSL Club employing a lying wannabe.

These ructions resulted in the Sub Branch President Mr George Mellick being charged with assault for "biffing" an aged Vietnam Veteran.

On 21 Feb 20 in the Maryborough Magistrates Court, Lenihan pleaded guilty to falsely claiming to be a returned Veteran, and to the drug charge. He was fined a total of $1,000 for the two offences.

George Mellick has now been removed from position of President through democratic means, and a new President elected. Mellick appeared in the Magistrates court on 3 Mar 20 and was found guilty of assault with no conviction recorded.

Members of the Sub Branch and the RSL Club have expressed serious concerns that Lenihan, who now has a conviction for illegal drug possession and a conviction under the Defence Act 1903 for falsely pretending to be a returned veteran, can remain fully employed on self inflicted stress leave.

As the current Club Manager, and a convicted drug offender, Lenihan should never be able to hold the Maryborough RSL Club's Liquor License in the future. He should be given the boot immediately and replaced with a credible and honest person.

The final chapter will be written when action is taken regarding Lenihan's employment.

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UPDATE LENIHAN 26 NOV 2019

Before you read this update re-read our original report .

In this matter, there has been malfeasance and neglect at all levels of RSL management from Queensland President, District President and Maryborough RSL President. After intensive investigation Lenihan was arrested on 21 Nov 19 by police, and a court date set.

When the matter is settled by the court, we will do a comprehensive report into the management of the Maryborough RSL

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Case Notes:

Mr Craig Lenihan is the General Manager at the Maryborough, Queensland, Returned and Services League (RSL) Club.  Prior to Lenihan’s appointment the Sub Branch was in disarray, handling complaints about a previous Sub-Branch President.  Unfortunately, the problems have been exacerbated by the placement of Lenihan who has lied about his military experience, even though being an ex-serviceman was not a criterion for the role of General Manager of the Club.

Lenihan

Before his appointment to Maryborough RSL Craig Lenihan previously managed the Nanango RSL and it was believed among the staff there, that he was a returned veteran (Info from two staff members)

Through direct statements and innuendo Lenihan has claimed to be a Returned Veteran who served in East Timor and "Has been shot at" and "Seen people blown up and his mates killed".  We hold numerous Statutory Declarations detailing how Lenihan has claimed to be a Veteran of Australia’s involvement in the conflict in East Timor.

With the usual guile of a wannabe, Lenihan explains the reason his name cannot be found in any Timor Deployment records is because he "served under another name"

Whilst several members of the Sub-Branch raised concerns about this matter with the Sub-Branch President, it fell on deaf ears. The Sub-Branch President, stated to an ANZMI researcher that ‘he did not wish to get involved  and that the researcher should be very careful because he could’ "fall flat on his face".  The RSL President then hung up the phone.

Researchers have tried to contact Lenihan on numerous occasions, but he will not respond.

It is indeed, a sad affair when an RSL President refuses to become involved in matters where staff members, representing the Sub-Branch are suspected of being Wannabes.  

It is also relevant that the President Mr George Mellick is a hypocrite, as whilst he does not want to become involved in the Lenihan matter he was heavily involved in having his predecessor banned from the RSL for being a Wannabe. After his successful campaign against the previous President, Mellick became the Maryborough RSL President.

Lenihan

The official word from the Wide Bay District Deputy President, Mr Trevor Williamson, is that Lenihan is no longer making such claims, and in any case, although Lenihan is employed by the RSL he is not a member of the Sub Branch and therefore, it is not the business of the Sub Branch to question his claims of Active Service in East Timor.

It is however, the business of ANZMI and Veterans everywhere, and it is the business of the Sub Branch to satisfy its members that a person, representing the organisation at a senior level, making claims to be involved in Armed conflicts with Australian Forces and being a ‘veteran’ are not false, particularly when its members have raised concerns.

ANZMI have numerous Statutory Declarations from people and veterans stating that Lenihan has claimed to have been on active service in East Timor with the Australian Army and had witnessed enemy action.  

On a Statutory Declaration it is stated that Mr Williamson said that he had “Seen Lenihan's medals” and that, “Lenihan had burnt and destroyed his medals”.  Mr Williamson now denies having spoken about Lenihan's medals and claims that the Statutory Declaration is false.

Discord, strife and friction prevails at the Maryborough RSL. Staff and Sub-Branch members have provided a number of Statutory Declarations to the effect that, Lenihan has claimed to be a Veteran of the East Timor conflict.  RSL District executives and the Sub-Branch President claim to have no interest in the matter. Lenihan the wannabe refuses to refute that he is a Returned Veteran, nor comment or provide any evidence of ever serving in the Australian Defence Force during Operations in East Timor.

There is no record of Lenihan ever serving as a member of the Australian Army.  Details of his claimed service in East Timor are flawed by his claims that he served in East Timor in 1991 - 1992.  In fact, Australians were not deployed to East Timor until 1999.

As well as Lenihan refusing to provide any evidence of his service we are happy to declare him a wannabe and provide space for him on this website

Surname: Joyce
Christian Names: Michael John
Country: Australia
State or Province: Queensland
City or Town: Redcliffe
Service #: A118447
Service: Royal Austtralian Air Force
Branch: Catering
Case Notes:

 

Michael John Joyce served with RAAF Number 1 Operational Support Unit in Vung Tau Vietnam for 91 days from 16 April 1970 until 15 July 1970 as a Cook. Here is a photograph of Joyce:


Michael Joyce




Notice that Joyce is wearing four medals these are:

Australian Active Service Medal
Vietnam Medal
Australian Defence Medal
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (RVCM) - NOT ENTITLED

Joyce has made the mistake of being a cheat involved with the media and had his photograph published in a newspaper. As a result of his need for media fame it has been established that Joyce is not entitled to wear the RVCM because he did not meet the criteria of 181 days service in Vietnam and was not evacuated to Australia as a Battle Casualty. He served for 91 days only.


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Here is the offending medal



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Here is the official criterion for being awarded the medal.


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Here is what Joyce said about the matter:

Dear xxx,
Yes i did not spend the required time in Vietnam And as you know there has at times been eligibility question I was Medivaced home. And subsequently was awarded The medal in question, this would be shown in the appropriate Records that are available to the public. I have previously Discussed this with fellow veterans, and the consensus was That if it was officially awarded then that would be that.

Yours Truly
Mick Joyce.

Wearing the medal on the basis of a consensus of fellow veterans was insufficient authority to attach the medal to his rack.

Like Joyce, most of those caught wearing this medal say "It was issued to them" In most cases that is baloney and it has been purchased by the wearer. Joyce wears four medals, he is entitled to three.

Returned Veterans will not tolerate those who cheat with medals. Being a returned veteran is a status hard won and the awards they receive are sacrosanct.

Herbert Alec Mason, President of a Victorian RSL Sub Branch, was another non battle casualty from Vietnam, who falsely claimed that he was issued with the VCM.

www.anzmi.net/index.php/cheats-thieves/medal-cheats/638-mason 

We thank the genuine veterans and the many others throughout Australia, who through their diligence and observation are striving to preserve our medals protocols and heritage.

Joyce is welcomed to the website for being a medal cheat.

 

Surname: Southam
Christian Names: Kurt Ronald
Country: Australia
State or Province: QLD
City or Town: Caloundra
Service #: PMkeys 8120662
Service: RAN
Branch: Combat Systems Operator
Commencement of service: Nov 01
Completion of service: Aug 03
Case Notes:

 

 

 

Kurt Ronald Southam is 33 years of age. Residing in Caloundra on the picturesque Sunshine Coast, in the State of Queensland can be a very relaxing and rewarding experience. Particularly if you are a former Royal Australian Navy elite Clearance Diver who has experienced the horrors of war in Afghanistan.

It could not be a better place to live, to get away from the stressors and traumatic memories of military life on operational service from “Hawaii to Afghanistan”.

Kurt Southam, apparently discarded his wet suit, flippers, snorkel and goggles, his intricate knowledge of explosives and counter terrorist techniques to become a Business Development Manager for an employment firm in Maroochydore, also on the Sunshine Coast. He is also a strongman and claims the number 1 spot in Australia for the under 80 kilos weight division.


Southam just loves publicity. You only have to google his name and instantly before your eyes, he is pictured posing for the camera lifting everything from rocks to beer barrels and tractor tyres.

Southam may be strong at lifting tractor tyres, but he is weak in character. Very weak indeed.

He is a liar, a valour thief and an imposter, who has used his very mundane Royal Australian Navy service to convince people that he was a highly trained Australian Navy Clearance Diver in Afghanistan. The equivalent of our respected Special Air Service Regiment in the Australian Army. (SASR)

In a published Sunshine Coast Profile article, Southam claims that he was a Clearance Diver in the Royal Australian Navy “serving from Hawaii to Afghanistan”.

His claims also extend to his Linked in Page where he states he was a former elite Naval Clearance Diver.

All of these claims are lies. They are intentional fabrications that characterise Southam’s shallowness.

Southam’s Royal Australian Naval (RAN) career is totally opposite to what he claims.

He enlisted in the RAN in November, 2001. He followed normal procedures and completed his Recruit Training at HMAS Cerberus in Melbourne, Victoria. He was then posted to HMAS Watson in Sydney, New South Wales where he trained as a Seaman, Combat Systems Operator. Unfortunately for Southam, he was not cut out for the RAN and he was discharged in August, 2003 as “Retention not in the interests of the Navy”. In other words , his services were terminated. In the 20 months that he served in the RAN he had no sea time. His postings were at two shore bases in Australia.

About the closest he ever came to being a qualified Naval Clearance Diver was completing a basic swimming test in Recruit Training at HMAS Cerberus in 2002.

His services were terminated as his retention was not in the interests of the Navy. No shame in that. Not everyone is cut out for service life. However, to now claim to be one of their highly trained Navy Clearance Divers with operational service in Afghanistan just shows what a false pretender he is.

Southam never “moved up the ranks until he became a Navy clearance diver” as suggested in the above article. He left at the same rank he joined. A seaman. By his actions, he would not even have the moral or physical courage to pass the selection test of this fine body of service men and women.

Southam is an imposter who likes publicity. We are happy to provide some more.

We understand that Southam gains his motivation from another well known Naval strongman, whose photograph appears below.

Welcome to the site, Kurt Southam.

Another self proclaimed strongman named Ian Ronald Crowden also appears on this site.

Anzmi.net/Crowden. Link.

Crowden was arrested in 2013 for kicking a Customs dog at the Gold Coast, Queensland, Airport. In his defence, he falsely claimed to be a sniper and an Afghanistan Veteran as well. He had no military service and he was later convicted of Perverting the Course of Justice as well for his trouble.

Must be something in the water they drink

Surname: Donohue
Christian Names: Neville McBryde
Country: Australia
State or Province: Victoria
City or Town: Dandenong
Service: Army
Branch: Signals
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE 11 JULY19

Neville McBryde Donohue was originally exposed as fraud and wannabe on this website in 2013, after he wore an amazing array of Defence medals that he purported had been presented to him.



Following that exposure he was charged by Victoria Police and put before a Magistrates Court. On that occasion he chose to lie and present false documents. It then took another five years of Court actions to find him guilty of wearing false medal as well as a raft of other charges that he earned whilst tussling with Magistrates and Judges

In 2018 he was finally sentenced to two years and nine months imprisonment. Had he shut his mouth and taken his deserved punishment on his first appearance at court he most likely would have earned a monetary fine and a moderate tirade from the Magistrate.

Donohue is not enjoying his current service with the Queen, and applied to the Court of Appeal to make a late appeal against the sentence he is currently serving. The appeal was heard on 2 Jul 2019.

He has served nine months of the minimum two years nine months he is serving for perjury, perverting the course of justice and making a number of false documents.

Donohue, in his usual cavalier manner, appealed his original sentence on the basis that:

The documents were never received and,
The sentence was to severe.
The Judge erred in his decision.

The Appellant Judges found that the Sentencing Judge, had not only taken all plea material into account, he had also given Donohue an absolute minimum sentence.

In disallowing the appeal, the Appellant Judges stated that no error in sentencing had been made and that, if any appeal took place Donohue would most likely end up having his sentence increased.

Appeal was dismissed, and Donohue has two years more to contemplate his actions.

Perhaps Donohue will now shut up and stop being an idiot who believes he is clever enough to beat our judicial system with falsehoods and forged evidence.

After six years of activity, we hope that Donohue realises that offences that bring discredit to Veterans and ex Service people does not pay, except for board and lodgings.

 

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UPDATE - "Major General" Neville McBryde DONOHUE

Like Napoleon "Major General" Donohue has met his Waterloo. If he behaves himself will be receiving free board and lodgings in a Victoria prison for two years and nine months, if he misbehaves it will be for at least four years and five months.

It has taken six years to get him into prison. Had he fronted court on the first occasion he was charged by police, he would have received a small fine got on with his life. Below are the details of the final episode in the Donohue saga.

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UPDATE DONOHUE – April, 2018

Neville McBryde Donohue must now understand that Australian and New Zealand Veterans, ex Servicepersons and the long arm of the law are relentless.  It took five years of Donohue's nonsensical manoeuvres to get him squared away in jail.  He tried all the tricks of a seasoned con man.

He claimed to have terminal cancer and produced forged documents as proof, for which he copped further charges.  On another occasion he produced a Statutory Declaration declaring that he was required for  "special military duty" involving "secret work"

Here is the Statutory Declaration:

 

 Donohue

 

 

Of course he received more charges for the false declaration.

The Police appear to have delved deep into his past and presented Donohue with a raft of other charges as follows:

Use false document to prejudice other (3 counts),

Obtain property by deception (4 counts),

Attempt to obtain property by deception,

Fail to answer bail (3 counts),

Improper use of Defence Service decoration (2 counts),

Impersonate returned soldier (2 counts),

Drive whilst authorization suspended (3 counts),

Impersonate a public official (7 counts,)

Fail to notify employer of cancelled licence (2 counts),

Obtain financial advantage by deception,

Theft from shop.

As detailed in our previous update of April 2017, Donohue was found guilty and sentenced to a jail term.  Not satisfied with blocking the court system for four years with his frivolous and dishonest antics, he appealed the sentence and extended court procedures by another year.

On the date when the appeal was to be heard, Donohue abandoned his appeal and it was struck out.  He was immediately taken into custody and required to serve the remainder of his jail sentence. 

It took from ANZAC Day 2013 until 23 March 2018 for justice to be done.  The veteran and ex service community thank law enforcement and the Judiciary for their relentless actions.

 

 

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MAJOR GENERAL" DONAHUE - UPDATE - APR 17

Go to the very bottom of this page to see the latest update!

 

“Major General” Neville McBryde Donohue– Major General and Collingwood Supporter

Every now and then an incredibly stupid wannabe will bob his head up and be spotted by genuine Veterans.

  In this case the “head bobber” is “Major General” Neville Donohue from the picturesque Dandenong Ranges in Victoria.  Here is our man in all his “Generalship” glory:

 

 

Never before in the history of ANZMI have so many reports been sent, by so many, to so few (of us). Veteran forums and networks went viral and the above photograph taken at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) on ANZAC Day 2013 was flashed all over Australia. The power of the internet prevailed and another and more interesting photograph arrived identifying Donohue.

 

 

In this photograph, Donohue is seen giving a stirring ANZAC Day 2013 speech at St Michaels Church, Kalorama in Victoria, before heading off to the MCG, ANZAC Day Football match, between Essendon and Collingwood, where he paraded his mighty haul of fake medals.

Who is Major General Donohue? Of course any person who barracks for Collingwood football club has to be a bit suspicious, but being a Collingwood Supporter and wearing a huge array of fake Military medals and claiming to be a Major General confirms that he is less than a balanced person.

We are reliably advised by ex members of the Royal Australian Corps of Signals (RA Sigs) that the “General” is in fact ex Serviceman313847 Corporal Neville McBryde Donohue from the Kilsyth area of Victoria. He served in the Australian Army between 1970 and 1976 and was never deployed to any Operational Areas. He has confessed that most of the medals are fakes but says his Vietnam Medals are genuine. That is a lie. He may be entitled to only one medal the Australian Defence Medal (ADM). Perhaps it is just as well, that we have exposed him, as we all know the case of a Corporal becoming a Fuhrer.

This case incited even more interest from the Australian Veteran Community than the Hines Brothers seen here:   http://www.anzmi.net/hines/hines.html   

Like the Hines Brothers case, State Police were quick to swoop on Donohue and lay appropriate charges.

The Australian and New Zealand Veteran community are more than ever before, sensitive to frauds, wannabes and medals cheats. Those who take liberties are gambling that they will not be caught and named and shamed on our web site. In this gamble the odds are well stacked in favour of ANZMI. So go ahead make our day.

Donohue will have his day in court.

We will track him and report his disposition.

 

MAJOR GENERAL" DONAHUE - UPDATE - APR 17

After four years of lies, deceit and denial Donohue has been found guilty in a Melbourne Magistrates Court and earned a little prison time.  Even so, the idiot has appealed his conviction:  Here is the Newspaper coverage:

 

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We can see that the Magistrate got it all correct.  It is unfortunate that Donohue is still exercising his initiative by lodging an appeal.  Let's hope that he is given a harsher sentence as a result of the appeal.

 

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

Surname: Masters
Christian Names: Ronald William
Country: Australia
State or Province: QLD
City or Town: Kingaroy
Service: Army
Branch: Artillery
Case Notes:

UPDATE: OCT 19

Ronald William Masters of Wooroolin Queensland

Ronald Masters cares not a fig about tradition and protocol, or what other veterans think of him.

Some years back he was reported for wearing medals he had not earned. On 18 August 2019 Masters attended the Wondai RSL wearing the very same medals he was previously reported for wearing.

There were senior State and local RSL executives attending the commemorative occasion and it is hoped that both Wondai RSL and State RSL Headquarters have counselled Masters.

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Ron Masters of Kingaroy blames the RSL for his wearing of medals he is not entitled to wear.

He says the RSL told him to wear all the medals shown in the photograph below, except he alone decided to wear the end one which is the ridiculous self purchased “Simpson Medal” that is sold by the Ex Service Organisation called the Injured Service Persons Association (ISPA).  We suggest if you value your integrity don’t wear the Simpson Medal as it is only for donkeys.

 

 

The medals that Masters is wearing indicate that he served for fifteen years in the Army. He is wearing six medals, he should not be wearing four of them, yet he is entitled to wear two others.

He is not entitled to wear:

The Defence Service Medal – the third from the left. The wearer must have fifteen years diligent Service.

The National Medal – the fourth from the left. The National Medal recognises long and diligent service by members of recognised organisations that help the community during times of crisis.

Vietnam Campaign Medal – fifth from the left – This award was issued by the South Vietnamese Government for six months (181 days) service in South Vietnam. Those who were evacuated from Vietnam, as casualties, as a direct result of enemy action also received this award.

The last medal, the so called, Simpson “Medal” is a self purchase trinket that must not be worn with genuine medals on the left breast.

Master’s true entitlement is four medals as follows:

First Medal - Australian Active Service Medal 1945-75

Second Medal – Vietnam Medal

Third Medal - Australian Defence Medal

Fourth Medal - National Servicemen’s Commemorative Medal

 

Masters enlisted as a National Serviceman on the 22 April 1970. After recruit training he was allotted to the Royal Australian Artillery Corps, where he received further training and on the 15th Sep 1970 qualified as a Storeman.

He departed for Vietnam with his unit, 12th Field Regiment, Royal Australian Artillery on the 4th May 1971. On 18th October 1971 he was medically evacuated to Australia via Butterworth, Malaysia.

He had spent 170 days in Vietnam and his medical evacuation was not a result of enemy action. It is believed he was involved in an accident involving trauma and injury to his shoulder and neck.

Masters has two Record of Service cards on his file, they describe his Army Service from start to finish, and these two cards are shown below.

 

 

Even though he was wearing four medals he was not entitled to wear, and not wearing two medals he was entitled to, Master’s offence is on the lower end of the wannabe scale.  Any reasonable war veteran who is a member of an RSL would be well aware of his correct medal entitlement. For Masters to state that it was the RSL’s fault is an act of immaturity.

Australian Veterans and the general public are much more aware of offences against Veterans than ever before.  If you offend it is most likely you will be reported and be exposed on our web site,

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

Surname: Hammal
Christian Names: Roque Charles
Country: Australia
State or Province: WA
City or Town: Perth
Service: Navy
Case Notes:

 

 UPDATE Roque Charles "China" Hammal 11 November 2019

Our old "China Plate" is back on the job. "China" Roque Charles Hammal now resides at Copacobana in New South Wales (NSW).

As long as he maintains that he was a "secret agent" who worked on land in North Vietnam during the Vietnam war, and as long as he wears five fake medals, we will continue to report his antics that are grossly insulting to the Australian Veteran community.

His latest endeavour to enhance his self created legend, was to become the awarder and awardee of a Remembrance Day memorial, that was unveiled in Copacobana, NSW , by a local politician on Remembrance Day 2019.



Here is the memorial that is located on Copa Green, next to the Copacobana Surf Club building.

 



Notice that the only name on the memorial is "Roque Charles 'China' Hammal"

Here is 'China' admiring his memorial and still wearing eight medals, five of which are fake. He claims these medals for his less than forty hours aboard HMAS Swan whilst safely anchored in Vung Tau, Vietnam Harbour:



The office of the politician involved was politely contacted before the event to warn him about Hammal, but a person named "Ben" would not listen, and told our researcher he was very rude then hung up. The MP can be very certain, that Veterans from his area are angered by the actions of Hammal and bewildered by the MP.

A bit of Hammal's history

He claims, that as a nineteen years old Royal Australian Navy (RAN) Engineering Mechanic Class 2, he was plucked from the RAN to serve on land in the Vietnam war for more than seven months on secret missions to North Vietnam.

The Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) Nominal Roll, shows he was there for seventeen days, but that is distorted, because of the RAN's flawed system. Hammal was aboard HMAS Swan in Vietnam waters when on escort duties for HMAS Sydney in October and December in 1971. In fact, Hammel spent less than twenty four hours in Vung Tau Harbour, Vietnam on each of his two visits. As we have previously pointed out, he wears eight medals, two of which he did not earn and three that are self purchased "tin".

Hammal with an air of self importance, and his usual guile and cunning has woven another web of lies in his new locality. He has arranged a memorial bearing his name to be placed in a public place, and then, to give it credence, has inveigled a politician to unveil it on Remembrance Day 2019.

Hammal is a recidivist liar who insults the integrity of Australian and New Zealand veterans.

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HAMMAL Update April, 2018.

Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Our old "China Plate" the big cheese Roque "China"  Hammal has been again reported to us as a recalcitrant wannabe.  Here is a recent photo of Hammal.

 

China Hammel

 

Our original report about Hammal was fifteen years ago and the above photo shows  he still wears the shonky medals that were reported at that time.  He also still relates ridiculous lies about his service.  Here is what he has written on a Facebook page:

 "I am only going to say this once ... do not believe everything you read from ANZMI as no one has the "Guts" to put their name at the bottom of the article.    You want to find out my true "Navy Service" go to the National Archives and search for my file that can be view publicly... search for my name " Roque Charles Hammal - Navy Offical Number - R106976 " you will find my all my Service Records ... make sure you look at all of them .... you will find the truth and nothing but the truth ... and notice my files are seal " Do Not Open " and what are open displayed to the public eyes are .. "expunged"... once again ... let us keep to the business of HELPING VETERANS".

 

The latest photo shows he stills wears eight medals. The last four on his rack  are fake.  It is also cogent that to earn the four legitimate medals,  "China" spent a total of less than Thirty Six hours in Vung Tau Harbour.  Instead of being satisfied with that over powering gesture by the Royal Australian Navy,  he decided to stick four more medals on his breast.

 

Hammal

 

The Department of Veterans Affairs Nominal Roll shows that he spent Seventeen Days in Vietnam,  but the RAN chose to include the number of days from original port departure, until return to final port.  In Hammal's case it was from Singapore and back to Singapore on HMAS Swan. With fifteen days in transit and less than two days in Vietnam.

 

Hammal

 

It seems that Hammal is quite content to live his whole life as a shameful lying wannabe.  At the time of our original report he richly deserved the truth of his actions and now after fifteen years he is still a persona non grata in the Veteran Community.  As long as he keeps up his charade of "behind the lines"  secret operations,  and wearing fake medals we will keep reporting his dishonesty.

 

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Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Over the years he has obtained more medals to add to his official ‘rack’ of three but it is suggested that he did this not only in an attempt to further his ‘heroic’ war service but also to add credence to his far fetched stories.
 

 

Some wannabes claim that their records are "Secret",  have been "Sanitised" or have been "Destroyed" in an attempt to further their standing in the Veteran community.   Some records are classified Secret when it becomes a matter of National security. An Able-Seaman would not fall into this category.   Sanitised is a new ‘buzz-word’ among wannabes with the implication that should you gain access to a persons file then you will not be able to see the complete file. Records are never Destroyed. Some wannabes claim this has happened and at times attempt to provide bogus proof of this.  In conjunction with this the 30 year secrecy act for Viet Nam is over.

Sadly for wannabes and Roque Charles Hammal, the truth always wins in the end.

Roque Charles "China’ Hammal was born in the British colony of Hong Kong on 23 August 1952, of mixed race parentage. He enlisted in the Royal Australian Navy [RAN] in Sydney on 18 Oct 1969, for a period of 9 years and was allocated Service Number R106976.   At that time he was 17 years and 2 months old and served continuously in the Navy for a period of 12 years and 17 days when he requested his own discharge, which was granted on 4 Nov 81, with the rank of Petty Officer.

Since that date Hammal has concocted many stories regaling his service. He carried out this litany of half truths and fabrications to such a level whereby people he has duped have come out in support of his nefarious and spurious service and stated that they had examined Hammal's service records and supposed letters from government departments, that actually support his stories. How wrong they were.  See below.





Below are a series of photo’s taken at various times at official functions and parades.



Now compare these photo’s with Hammal’s true entitlement shown here.

Hammal made application for and was issued his Service Medals in the following order:

1.      Returned From Active Service Badge in 1991,

2.      Viet Nam Logistics Service Medal in 1993,

3.      Australian Active Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp: Viet Nam, in1997, and

4.      Australian Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp FESR, in 1997.

These are all he is entitled to wear.

In addition to his real entitlement Hammal wears the following authorised medal without being lawfully issued it and the following "tin"/commemorative medals:

Vietnamese Campaign Medal  - Instituted by the Government of the Republic of Viet Nam and awarded to Australians with the Queen's permission, for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters between 31 July 1962 and 27 January 1973. Service of a lesser period also qualified if brought to an end by death due to enemy action or by being wounded in action i.e. classified as a Battle Casualty. Lesser service terminated by "medical" evacuation to Australia (sickness etc.) did not qualify.  This medal is shown below.  The unlawful wearing of this medal now places him in the position of being charged under the new act and liable to a fine of $3300 and a maximum jail sentence of 6 months.

Navy Tin Medals such as the HMAS Sydney Medal -  A tin association medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

The Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal - A tin commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

Foreign Service Medal -  A tin  commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

 

If worn at all, these tin medals should be worn on the right breast, inline with awarded medals which are worn by the recipient on the left breast.

You will see from evidence produced below that ‘China’ Hammal’s real Viet Nam Service consisted of approximately 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on the HMAS Swan, a ship that did not anchor. An extract of evidence from  an AAT hearing on the activities of HMAS Swan in Vietnamese waters is shown below.



     

                               

For this service he is entitled to wear the Australian Active Service Medal (AASM) with Clasp Viet Nam and the Viet Nam Logistics Support Medal (VLSM)."   See the real entitlement to medals for China at the beginning of this page.

Some of Hammal's claims of Navy service:

Claim 1. Hammal has stated "Prior to my transfer from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in October 69 I had a short induction period in HMAS Penguin Diving School in February 69".  See below his own words.


               



Fact 1. Hammal has made the claim of transferring to the Royal Australian Navy from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in Oct 69. His records however show that he applied for enlistment in the RAN on 6 Aug 69 in Sydney, NSW and was enlisted on 18 Oct 69, where he declared on his enlistment papers, D.R.1, 89/69  that he had no prior Military service.
 

During his childhood ( 7 & 8 yrs old) he was billeted with his parents at HMS Tamar on Stonecutters Island (1959-60) which was the Royal Navy shore base in Hong Kong. This is confirmed on his Dept of Navy Personal Particulars Form CDO 4664 dated 12 Aug 69 shown here.


              



This would be the only contact he had with the RN. Also, on form DR1 (Application Form For Males for Enlistment) at para 10, "State highest education standard attained and name of school", he has answered "Form 5, King George Fifth School, 1969, Hong Kong.". This form dated 6 Aug 69 is shown here.

             



Claim 2. Also in the statement below he claims, "When HMAS Perth had her major refits in Sydney, I served in HMAS Parramatta during the fall of Saigon".

 

                                                 



Fact 2. From a search of posting records it is revealed that Hammal was posted to HMAS Parramatta on 17 Oct 73 until 5 May 74. The last time HMAS Parramatta was in Vung Tau harbour was on 22 May 71(for a period of 4 hrs 30mins). Saigon fell to North Viet Nam 4 years later on 30 Apr 75. This is another ridiculous and laughable claim.

Claim 3. Another from the same statement below by Hammal  is, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker". (The term "bubblie" is RAN parlance for a Clearance Diver as opposed to a ships diver) 

 

                                                  



Fact 3. Hammal’s records show that he commenced an ABCD (Able Seaman Clearance Diver) course at HMAS Penguin, a shore based facility at Pittwater in Sydney, on 3 Jan 71. He remained at HMAS Penguin until 1 March 71, a period of 8 weeks, then he was transferred to HMAS Cerberus, another shore based facility. The length of time required to successfully complete the ABCD course was 8 months for the 1971 course so one can see that Hammal failed the course and could never have served as a Clearance Diver (CD) in Viet Nam.

Claim 4. Further to the rest of Hammal's entertaining claims as shown below, comes the one where he states," After a short introduction to the RAN in HMAS Cerberus I had various duties and served in numerous ships including a period in HMS Danae during the Viet Nam campaign".

 

Fact 4. A search of HMS Danae’s (Royal Navy) crew listing (1967-71) does not show any person named Hammal. Another absurd claim easily disproved because the full crew listing may be found at [bookmark us first....this will take you away from the site] http://www.fullspeed.to/hmsdanaeand Hammal’s naval records do not show any posting or attachments to not only the RN but to HMS Danae from the RAN.

Claim 5.
In Claim 3 above it can be seen that Hammal has stated that, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker".

Fact 5.  Notice that Hammal has stated "3,088 days at sea" not in sea going ships but, days at sea. The claim of serving "3,088 days at sea" is simply another ludicrous claim. 3,088 days is 8 yrs and 5 mths out of a total of 12 yrs 17 days service.

This is a list of Hammal’s postings to sea going ships as copied from his official Navy records.

HMAS Anzac: 20 Apr 70 to 3 Jan 71 = 258 days.

HMAS Swan: 13 Aug 71 to 21 Jan 73 = 557 days.* #

HMAS Perth: 22 Jan 73 to 16 Oct 73 = 266 days.

HMAS Parramatta: 17 Oct 73 to 04 May 74 = 198 days.

HMAS Perth: 05 May 74 to 08 Feb 76 = 643 days.

HMAS Perth: 10 Jun 77 to 02 Dec 79 = 905 days.

Total = 2827 days on sea going ships.

* While posted to HMAS Swan, Hammal had, according to his leave record, a total of 90 days leave. Also during this period, according to the ships movements logs, the Swan spent 180 days in different ports. This means that out of 557 days on this sea going ship Hammal actually spent 287 days at sea.

# Also, it was in this period that Hammal did his one and only visit to Viet Nam.   HMAS Swan was allocated for service from 4 Oct 71 to 14 Oct 71 and accordingly departed Singapore on 4 Oct, met up with HMAS Sydney on 5 Oct, arrived and left Vung Tau on 6 Oct and arrived Manila on 14 Oct.

On both of HMAS Swan’s visits to Vung Tau, ships records indicate that the ship never anchored at any time thus making diving operations impossible. Evidence from an AAT hearing confirms this as shown below.


 

Claim 6. From Hammal’s local community newspaper, the Cockburn Gazette, dated  June 11 -  June 17, 2002 in an interview given, Hammal states, "China served in the Hong Kong Navy and the Australian Navy for more than 12 years which involved three years in the Viet Nam war."
 


 

Nowhere can it be found that Hammal refuted the above claims.

Fact 6. Claims of serving in Viet Nam for 3 years are simply ludicrous. The last RAN Escort ship in Vietnamese waters was the HMAS Vampire which departed the port of Vung Tau for Palau Tioman on 24 Nov 72.   Three years before this date ( 24 Nov 69) Hammal had just enlisted in the RAN.

Claim 7. From The West Australian newspaper dated 10 June 2002 in an article written by reporter Ben Ruse, Hammal made the statement that he, "trained as a diver in Hong Kong and went to Viet Nam with the Royal Australian Navy in 1969 at the age of 17."
 



Nowhere can it be found that Hammal has refuted this statement.

Fact 7. As can be seen in Fact 1 above, Hammal never enlisted in the RAN until 18 Oct 69. Taking into account the time required for him to complete his "rookies" course at HMAS Cerberusit is just farcical to claim he went to Viet Nam in 1969.

It is indeed a sad day when a sailor who has done so much for the Veteran community has to enhance his service far beyond what he infact did during service, as this now tarnishes everything he has done for that Veteran community and has also caused those within this community to rise against him and have the Order of Australia Medal that he was offered, quashed. Further to this Hammal had a sob story for the WA Sunday Times, dated 14th September 2003,  in which he continues to tell his lies in an endeavour to convince the public that he was worthy of the award.    See below,  you make the judgement.
 

To be a recipient of this medal, you must have a good standing in the community and a flawless record.   Non-disclosure of discrepancies can and does see the award rescinded.   This is unfortunate due to the outstanding work that Hammal has done within the community, but lies and deceit are not tolerated and the reward for this is removal of the medal as has been the case here.  Veterans were outraged at this award and took appropriate action to have it rescinded.   This is now going to create further expense for the Veteran community as this plaque below displaying OAM after Hammal’s name will have to be recast to reflect the truth. This is in Fremantle, Western Australia.

                                            

It has been alleged that  he didn’t fully understand the form and failed to disclose a matter of convictions from his past.  It is also alleged that because of his mixed race background he didn’t understand the wording of the applicable form for acceptance of the OAM.   This is refuted as he is a British subject who’s primary language is English and was at birth and has been the primary language used for approximately 34 years since arriving in Australia in 1969.

Over the past few years Veterans began to become aware of the tall stories that have emanated from Hammal and they began to check into his service record to obtain the truth.   Many Navy personnel approached CPMH for assistance here and we have worked quietly with the growing number of these Veterans who sought the truth.   It has taken a number of  years and with the assistance of all the Veterans involved we now have the truth as you see it here on these pages.

Hard copies of these records are now in our possession and these are what have been used to reflect the truth shown on these pages.

CPMH makes no apology for this entry on our pages and does not intend to pursue this into the depths of the welfare organisation that Hammal created in Western Australia, unless it is revealed that there are more untruths reported by Veterans that can do damage to the Veteran Community as a whole. This would then become a matter for other government departments and we would hand over any information that we uncovered and proved,  to the relevant authority for appropriate action.

China Hammal is a Veteran in his own right.  He has been awarded the medals as we stated above.  He has no entitlement to wear any other awards on his rack other than those we have indicated.  The Veteran Community of Western Australia should now make him aware of this and ensure that the “tin”and other illegal medals  that he wears are removed as they are an embarrassment to all genuine Veterans.   If Hammal is that gullible that he has to wear tin then they should be racked separately and worn on the right breast, well away from his awarded medals, so that the genuine people can have a quiet chuckle as he proudly displays them.

This applies to anyone who feels they have a need to wear tin.

If after being advised the protocol for wearing medals and awards he is still unsure then he should be directed to Ex Service Organisation sites where he can read the correct protocol for wearing medals after discharge………All people who wear tin would be well advised to do this as these “tin” medals are becoming an embarrassment to us all.

The Viet Nam Campaign Medal,  for 181 days "continuous Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters,  worn by Hammal has not been awarded to him.   The fines and punishments for fraudulently wearing decorations has just been amended in Parliament and penalties increased quite considerably.  Removal of this award is strongly recommended or appropriate action from the relevant authorities will be sought in the near future.
 

              
 

This photo is the latest taken -  30 Nov 2003

and so endeth the myth of the legendary service of this sailor. We can only hope that he wakes up to reality now, removes the un-awarded and tin medals he wears and continues his life as it should be, for it is these lies and his undeclared past, that has seen the awarding of the Order of Australia Medal rescinded.  A further conviction will be sought if the illegal medal is not removed.

 

Cheers China.........the beers are on us. 

There will no doubt be many comments passed on this site entry.  Please come back and visit again as we will post them all here for you to see......good and bad.  Your details will be recorded by CPMH but not displayed.  This section is to  allow you to  make your judgement on if we have been fair in exposing the truth.  This is the area where you can have your say......not our guest book.

THE CHINA HAMMAL COMMENTS SECTION
The comments below will only show which Military Service the person belonged to.

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
  Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 6:43 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: China & PERTH launch
G'day CPMH,
An excellent article on CPMH.  I noted that you have concentrated on the facts and have not bought up any information which could be labelled as "putting the knife in"  -  well done.

Once again, well done on an article which should not draw too many "brickbats" for being demeaning.  It is pure fact and that should be quite obvious to readers.

Regards and Happy New Year,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2003 9:16 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net 
Subject: China & PERTH launch
G'day Guys,
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours.
 
Here's a snippet and prediction . . . . .
 
Tenix in Williamstown have just sent out lots of invitations to the launch of PERTH(3), happening on Saturday 20th March 2004.  Our dearest "friend" China would have received one, along wilt all PERTH Association members.
 
Here's my prediction . . . . .  I'd almost bet that China will accept the invitation, and if he does, he'll "demand" money from the ANVVWA ("his" welfare association) to cover the cost of airfares and accommodation for at least himself, and possibly his partner.  Reason to be given will be that since he is proposing to replicate the PERTH bells, the welfare association should pay for his attendance so he can personally make arrangements for the bell "donation".
Navy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 8:52 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: CHINA

fellas what can I say? After what seems years the XXX fool has been nailed to the wall.
 There is a God! You do realise that China will bleat his innocence to anyone that will listen.
 But he didn't reckon on the care factor. WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
regards
Navy
 
PS I have taken the liberty to forward that article on to the number of ex-members of the RAN who had the misfortune to serve with the XXX lying XXXXX XXXX.
Can I ring a friend?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 4:05 AM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

China should remember that there are people out there whose memory of events are far better than his. His OAM citation should read Order of All-round Manipulator.  China has to realize that he has over the years upset a lot of people and being awarded the OAM was the straw that broke the camels back. Bullxxxx as much as you like, but do it quietly, and to yourself. That way the person you are talking too can believe the stories.

 
regards
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 20:30 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

Well the lies have been around for a long time and now we finally have the truth.  There are a lot in the west who will have egg on their face once they read this entry.  Well done CPMH.  All us "real" veterans applaud you for your efforts.  Do government departments read your site?  If they do they should gather the facts, compare it to what they have on record and then conduct their own investigations as there is a lot more to this "bubblie" than you have shown here.   Congratulations on getting his OAM removed too.  He is not a worthy recipient of this award and if he had it, it would only belittle all those who have it or receive it in the future.  It is now up to the veterans in WA to replace the plaque that displays his name with OAM after it..........the bill should be sent to China for its replacement.

Navy
NB:  CPMH were not responsible for the removal of the OAM award.  This was taken up by concerned Veterans who, under their own steam ensured that the truth was known concerning this award.   CPMH congratulates them for their concerns and attention to this matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 9:17 AM
To: CPMH (Wannabe's)
Subject: China
 
As the advert' says....."I don't know how he can live with himself"
Thankyou CPMH, you've done a sterling job, I can only hope someone takes the ***** to court.
Regards
Navy 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:45 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Roque (china) Hammal

To the instigator of this website.
I am very concerned that your organisation has taken it upon itself to "expose" persons who you claim to be not entitled to wear the medals or have not served their country in the manner which appears to be supported by the official records of the military system and D.V.A.
I am also very well aquainted with China and can vouch for his support of the veteran community in general. I believe that I would be dead or very incapable of looking after myself or anyone else if I had not received some very genuine assistance from China.
I realise that there are many people who do pretend to be what they are not. These are usually detected very quickly and do not need the national publicity of your website to deter them from offending further once discovered.
In fact, I feel very sorry for those that feel they need to act out a role to which they probably could never have belonged.
Your insistence that China wears medals to which he is not entitled is one which should be referred to the Commonwealth Police if you have genuine information that this is the case. You do not have the authority to libel anyone, regardless of the "crime" you think they may have commited. That is exactly what you are doing and your website and its various connections are being investigated further to establish what charges may be brought against you personally and anyone else found to be linked to your site.
It would appear that this attempt to villify various individuals may be connected to your own shortcomings. Perhaps you would care to make personal contact with me through my e-mail address, I will be happy to let you "investigate" me, but I assure you, that I will be doing the same for you and anyone connected with you.
I will be seeking further information about you and will refer all found to the appropriate authorities.
Yours very sincerely,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 8:48 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Cc:
Subject: China Hammal

 Another error in your drivel is that HMS Tamar is not on Stonecutters island it is situated on Hong Kong Island . Please print only correct facts - this includes the facts regarding the wearing of commemorative medals and the length of navy diving courses.
Navy

NB:....when one quotes facts one should check facts first.  http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/11/hong.kong/

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent:Thursday, 8 January 2004 5:26 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: China Hammal

 To those of you at CPMH who have put China Hammal's name up in lights on your websight, and "exposed" him for not being entitled to wear the Vietnam Campaign Medal, you may want to start thinking about how you are going to pay the defamation suit that I hope he brings against you.   The fact that not one of you have the guts to publicly state who you are, will not help you in the end.   You will be exposed for the world to see and there are those of us who will ensure that your names are spread around, just as you have spread China's name.    The difference between you and us, is that despite your so called criteria, we will do our homework properly and get it right before we name you.   In your report on how investigations are done you claim that in the case of real veterans, they are always given the chance to cease and desist before publication.   Just when did you contact China and give him this option?   You didn't, and he would not have done so in any case.   He doesn't have to prove anything to you anonymous cowards.  Like the gutless wonders you are, you went ahead and published this litany of lies without even following your own guidelines and checking the facts.

The people who have compiled the data on China have very conveniently changed things around to suit their own twisted ideas of what really transpired during his service in the RAN.   Had they bothered to check the Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (WA Inc) website, and clicked on to "Committee," they would have been able to read both his claims to wearing the Vietnam Campaign Medal and the OAM Story.    There is ample proof there that shows he has been investigated by the Department of Veterans Affairs, The Commonwealth Fraud Squad, and the Vietnam Veterans Association of  Australia WA Branch Inc, all of whom have verified his entiltlement to this medal.

You claim that the Vietnamese Campaign Medal was awarded with the Queen's permission for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Vietnam or adjacent waters.   If you had done your homework, you would have known that no Australian navy ship served in adjacent waters off the coast of Vietnam for 181 continuous days during the Vietnam conflict.  The four destroyers HMAS Perth, Hobart, Brisbane and Vendetta were deployed for periods in excess of six months from their home port of Sydney on their tours of duty,  but they did not serve continuously on the Gunline for 181 days at any time.   There must have been some other criteria for the awarding of this medal to RAN sailors.   We know what it was, why don't you?

As far as his  commemorative medals are concerned, there is no law which says he cannot wear them wherever he likes once he becomes a civilian.   Some ex service Associations have made their own rules about the wearing of these medals.    The Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association  (WA), of which China is the Honourable Chairman does not have any such regulations.   If he chooses to wear them for whatever reason, that is his business, and neither you nor any other association has the right to say he cannot wear them.   As someone already explained to you, despite your sarcastic remark of "yeah....right on," those of us who served on the logistic support ships, ie HMAS Sydney and her escorts, and were not real heros like yourselves had to fight for many years for recognition which was why some chose to wear commemorative medals.   Had you bothered to do your checking on that fact, you would have known that to be true.

The writer points out that China's real service in Vietnam consisted of 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on HMAS Swan, and produces a letter to back this up.   Unfortunately this letter never mentions anything about the Swan being in Vietnamese waters during this "Operation Awkward," which by the way was a common operational name given to many exercises during my 20 years in the RAN.   The letter mentions Thailand and Hong Kong but not Vietnam and gives no dates when this particular "Operation Awkward" took place.

China has never claimed that he was a clearance diver in the RAN.  He wore a cuff rate (badge) on his uniform to indicate that he was a ship's diver.   Under no circumstances would he have been able to wear this badge and perform diving duties if he was not qualified to do so.   As one of his Petty Officers on HMAS Perth in 1973, I distinctly remember that China was often required to perform diving duties (Bubblie) as opposed to Engineering duties (Stoker), and for that reason whilst on the Engineering Watchbill, most of his duties allowed him to be freed up quickly for diving duties if required.

Your writer disputes  China's claim that he served on HMS Danae for a period of time during the Vietnam conflict, and provides a website that lists the ships crew from 1967-71.   A check of this website reveals that it primarily concerns HMS Danae's first commission from 1967-69, when it returned to the UK, and lists the crew for that period of time.  It does not show any deployment details past October 2, 1969, which was before China enlisted in the RAN.   China could very well have been posted to HMS Danae on  temporary duties during his service and it would not necessarily show up in his Service Records.  Since you guys are so clever and have access to everything, it should be a simple matter for you to cross reference  HMS Danae's later deployments and those of the RAN ships China was on and see if you can match up anything.  You might just be surprised.   Many of these types of posting were logged only by confirmation signals between ships and  c.c.'d  to relevant authorities in Navy Office.   During my time on HMAS Perth in 1981, I did temporary exchange duties with USS Charles F Adams for about five days in the Indian Ocean.   This is not listed on my Service Records.   My service records also do not indicate that whilst serving at sea, I was hospitalised at HMAS Penguin for a week on two occasions.   This is confirmed by my medical records.

In China's claim that he served at sea for a period of time, your writer is clutching at straws by stating that he served on "sea going ships" as opposed to being "at sea."     In the RAN a person is posted either to shore or to sea.  That the ship may not be underway, does not diminish the fact that a person is classified as being "at sea."  by Navy Office.    A special payment called Hard Laying Allowance was paid to all sailors serving on ships irrespective of whether the ship was actually underway or sitting in dry dock, and an extra two weeks leave per year was granted to these sailors to compensate for the fact that they were at sea and living in abnormal conditions compared to their counterparts on shore based  postings.

China's service record indicates that he spent an extraordinary amount of time at sea from April 1970 until December 1979.   This is completely out of proportion to the normal sea/shore ratio for engineering sailors of his rank during that time, which was approximately two and a half years at sea followed by 18 months in a shore posting.   It appears that his only shore time was taken to allow him to do the necessary courses required for further training and promotion.   Perhaps your writer can explain this anomoly.

It has already been shown that just because a person was posted to a ship,  doesn't necessarily mean that he was actually on the ship for the full period of time without going elsewhere.   China joined the RAN  in October 1969,  Saigon fell in 1975.   China has stated he served for 12 years in the RAN, which involved 3 years in the Vietnam War.  He has also stated he was sent to HMAS Parramatta during HMAS Perth's refit in Sydney and was on that ship during the fall of Saigon.  Whilst Saigondid not actually fall until 1975, the writing was on the wall long before that time and the Americans had started a massive pull out.   HMAS Parramatta was in Asian waters during that time when the Americans started to pull out of Vietnam.  That is the period of time China refers to during his HMAS Parramatta sea service.    Simply because a particular ship that he was on was not actually in Vietnamese waters has no bearing on where China might have been at any time during his service career.    His claim is for 207 days in Vietnam.    If you had bothered to check the movements of the ships he served on from 1970 until his return to HMAS Perth in May 1974, you might have realised that most of the times these ships were in Asian waters.

Your writer conveniently supplied me with China's leave record for his period of 18 months service on HMAS Swan.    He states that China had 90 days leave.   RAN regulations would only have entitled him to 63 days for that length of time on a ship.    So how did he manage to get an extra 27 days?    Where was he, and when was this leave taken in relation to the ships movements?

Your claim that an Able Seaman (ie China) would never have records classified "Secret" and be destroyed are also false.   If you bothered to check the ANVVWA website there is a letter from the Department of Defence confirming that China's files namely, Postings/Transfers of Branch Files, Removals and Associated Allowances Files and Overseas Allowances Files were destroyed in 1990 and 1989 respectively.   Why would an Able Seaman have these files destroyed?   If there were nothing in these files that were not "Undicloseable," why were they destroyed?   China's  Service Rankings do not have any bearing on what he actually did or where he went at various times during his RAN career.    This is what you people have not and cannot establish.

You congratulate some Veterans for ensuring that China's OAM was rescinded.    It is a pity that these small minded people didn't clean up their own backyards first.   They live in glass houses, and shouldn't  throw stones.    China never asked for this award, and it was other Veterans who nominated him for it in the first place in appreciation for all he has done for the Veteran community, irrespective of which Service they served in..    He filled in the appropriate forms correctly and answered all questions asked of him honestly.    It is only a few senile old fools in other Associations, jealous of China's standing in the community, who are trying to bring him down.   This is known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome.   If they really are that upset about his name and OAM post nominals appearing on the plaque, then let them replace it at their cost.    The rest of us don't care.   If it wasn't for China's efforts, the Monument to RAN Personnel who served and lost their lives in Vietnam would not even be there.   He got off his arse and made it happen.

China's mates will stand by him, and like him, we don't give a toss about you, or the rest of the backstabbers.    You people have no right to set yourselves up as Judge, Jury and Executioners.   If you believe you are correct in your assassination of China's character, then I challange all of you responsible for compiling and publishing these accusations to at least have the intestinal fortitude to put your names to the accusations.   If you believe you have the proof, take it to the appropriate authorities for them to investigate properly.

XXXXXX

Ex RAN

   7th March 2009

Hammal has had his TPI Special Rate reinstated – this is a scandalous affair and a sad day for the veteran community

 

Chairman of the Australian Naval Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (ANVVWA) Peter Denver has gleefully advised that China Hammal has had his TPI, Special Rate reinstated. Reinstatement has been verbally confirmed by the Department of Veterans Affairs and it is a sad day for truth, honesty and the integrity of Veterans everywhere. This is what Denver has written:

 

“Quite often I get asked how our Association founder is getting on these days. Those of you that know China Hammal are probably aware that there were people in the veteran community that did not like him, and complained to DVA that his status as a TPI was not based on service related conditions. These complaints resulted in DVA investigators coming to the conclusion that he was not entitled to his TPI pension, and subsequently took it off him.   As a result of these malicious complaints from other veterans, he had no money, had been advised he had to repay over $230,000 to DVA, was unable to work, was reduced to handouts from charitable organizations, and was often on the very edge of giving up the will to live.  

 

Those of us who knew the man, refused to accept the decision by the DVA investigators, and we stood along side him as mates.    We supported and assisted him financially to survive, helped him to get his VRB Appeal together, and he finally had his day at the VRB in January 2008.   

 

The VRB heard his appeal, and they accepted the evidence that China presented, that his claim was genuine.  This was the same evidence, that China had advised the DVA investigators was available if they would look at it during their investigation.   They did not do it.  China won his appeal and his TPI status was restored.   He received all the back pay that had been withheld.  DVA have not lodged an appeal against the decision handed down by the VRB.   What those people who call themselves veterans did to another veteran was unforgivable in my book.   They are not worthy of the title veteran.     The truth prevailed.  

 

Peter Denver

Chairman”

 

China Hammal was the founder of ANVVWA and was well known for his ability to “sell” pensions to his Pusser mates.  “Just sign the blank application, tell China on which ships you served and he would conjure up all kinds of trauma stressors to get you the TPI Special Rate, and of course there was the donation to ANVVWA for services rendered.” There are many smiling ex Pussers in the Perth WA area who benefited greatly, but dishonestly from China’s legerdemain.

After reading the original ANZMI reports on China you will understand that he was/is a thoroughly dishonest and unprincipled human being.

Before China was re-instated an article in the ANVVWA Newsletter was included, begging for funds to “Bring China Back to Perth for ANZAC Day 2009”. Here is the article:

                                                                    HELPING A MATE

Some of you may remember our Association founder  China Hammal, and may be aware of the disgusting inquisition that he had to endure at the hands of DVA investigators in which he lost his TPI status as a result of complaints that were made against him by other veterans in the community, who for reasons best known to themselves decided that he was not entitled to his TPI.   I am sure that those of you who know him are also aware that he won his case at the VRB, and his TPI was restored.  

Sadly there are still people out there who will not let it go, and they continue to hassle him about the medals he wears, which he believes he is entitled to wear, and which his detractors have never proved that he is not entitled to wear them.    This has upset him so much that he no longer participates in Remembrance Day, Vietnam Veterans Day, or ANZAC Day Services and the march in NSW where he now lives.

A motion was put forward at our last Association meeting that we try and get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009.   His financial situation is such that he cannot afford to pay his own way over here, as he is still trying to repay debts as a result of losing his TPI. It was agreed that we would try and raise the cost of his return airfare amongst ourselves.   As such we have started a private fund raiser in the office called "China Hammal – ANZAC Day 2009."    Please Note: No Association Funds will be used for this cause.

Anyone who would like to help us get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009 so he can be with his mates on this important day in the veteran community, can send a donation to our office either by cheque or money order made out to Peter Denver  our ANVVWA Chairman or Carole Matthews our ANVVWA Secretary.   Please include a note saying it is for "China Hammal - ANZAC Day 2009", and not a donation to our Association.  You will be issued with a receipt provided you include your return address, and the money will be kept in a private safe until we have sufficient to purchase his return airfare.   Any money left over after purchasing his plane ticket, from the donations received will be given to China as a gift from his mates to help him out financially.   In the event that this falls through, and he does not come over, you will be given a refund of your donation less any postage costs etc.   Further details including amount raised, when and where you can catch up with him will be detailed in the March 2009 Newsletter.

China helped a lot of people out there, and I'm sure that some of you would like to catch up with him again

China Hammal and the ANVVWA must have a filing cabinet full of information about bogus DVA claims lodged from Hammal and his mates. It is guaranteed that there are many nervous Pussers from the area who would show great generosity and donate to China to keep him quiet.  

We urge honest veterans to express their dismay at the words and actions of Chairman Peter Denver and this ex RAN Welfare Association and also suggest to DVA, that during their idle time they recheck any DVA benefits claims handled by China Hammal and his mates. Once you know what to look for you may find many anomalies and make some smiles disappear from ANVVWA members.

Like in the ANZMI case of Joe Brain (see here http://www.anzmi.net/brain/brain.html ) another crook walks away from DVA laughing. 

It is time the Australian Federal Police extended their bailiwick to include cases of DVA fraud. It is a simple fact that the current investigation section of DVA lack the expertise to bring to justice the clever major players involved in DVA fraud.

We are reliably advised that a major ESO commanded from Western Australia was well aware of the nature of China’s operation of ANVVWA, however the potential for membership from the efforts of Hammal and his mob was obviously more important to them than honesty and ethics.  Those who have knowledge about this issue are advised to come forward and advise either ANZMI at information@anzmi.net or  DVA. 

DVA are urged to take action to appeal the Hammal VRB decision and again take away that which he has fraudulently gained.

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

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